Player Features and Ideas Discussion

If the enemy brings 100 battleships and each takes 5 minutes to kill, that's 500 minutes of battle, or over 8 hours. I don't want an 8 hour battle, because I have other things to do. PvP would become a chore since it takes so long to kill anyone. Also, wrong forum.

Nope Because battles take so long you can leave and come back. Hell maybe even go to work and come back.
Besides It already happens with TIDI. B-R went on for over a day of crap tastic fighting. 10min is to long? so you lose your raven after 10min of fighting after you got yourself in a position killing your raven became a goal for a few of the other team. Go off to work.
Come back 6-10 hours later and that fight you began ended up escalating because some one brought some carriers. that in turn got countered by a super carrier that died after 2 hours when your team finally brought a titan in that then got countered by 2 other titans. And this ALL happened because these pilots felt happy they wouldn't get blobbed and killed in 5min flat in their titan because the other team could primary it and shoot it with 1000 ships.
It would be better than it is now. Every ship would have it's role actually playable. battlefields would become tactical with flanking and stuff. It would be the best thing for EVE.

I would wager my life If CCP did this and tried it for two weeks. No one would want to go back.
Also ISD Max put my thread back in GD please. Its not as fun in this subforum.

case and point. Eve should not play like a WOW or Guildwars clone.
Spaceships should not use this stupid system.
And yes it would be a bold move. But it would befit the game EVE wants to be. The game CCP puts in it's trailers.
Next time you go on fleet look. Imagine your logi ships as a healer from WOW or you main ships as the Tank. And your support ships as rangers.
You will see EVE pvp is just two Raid groups bashing on each other. It's not how EVE should be. It wasn't how it was conceived and it doesn't work for it. Thats why Eve gets bad reputation with gamers. Thats why no one wants to risk their ships. Because instead of playing like ANY other spaceship game ever. It Is trying to force World of Warcraft game-play onto spaceships.
It's forcing a archaic core mechanic on a game not designed for it from the concept up. If people knew their titan took 2 hours to kill at least and a huge fight could happen round it and there was a good chance with team play you could beat the odds or at least create a escape window. People would use them.

I wager before anyone started EVE they did not expect Wow style game mechanics. I also wager when you tell a potential new player who knows nothing about EVE about titans. They don't Expect them to be able to die in under minuets. No one really wants EVE to play as it does now. Not deep down. Sure some of you have Accepted it. Or are so in a rut you can't see anything different.

Believe in a no logi future.
Where spaceships roam free. Where numbers are not the most important factor in a fight. Where your expensive ships are not all glass cannons that need baby sitting with 100 other people. Where people don't run from every potential engagement.

No, the game that CCP puts in its trailers, are actual players who are actively participating in fleet fights.

What youre proposing is silence, because everyone will be afk, playing World of Tanks or some other game during the fight.

"Alright, what were going to do guys, is were gonna sit 10k were gonna blap it for 6 hours and then when you return to your keyboards were going to warp to the run spot. Does that make sense?
Outstanding. Stand by.

Let me see. Oh crap. Are we gonna take on battleships?
Yup 4 battleships.
I dont think we have enough time to do this. I can only play eve for 4 hours today.
Dont worry about that.

Now were going to f*ckin play some other fun game.
My hearts racing.
Cmon, relax.
All wings align, primary is the dominix in 5, 4, 3, 2, decloak decloak decloak, torpedoes on the dominix, dominix, dominix. Ill see you guys in World of Tanks."

Never said it should, but an MMO without a healing class? You've gone spacemad. This is as useful for PVE as it is for PVP, and it doesn't come without it's counters. Learn to use EWAR, something EVE has that no other MMO does with the same application.

Also, as an avid PVP'er myself, don't presume that I don't know what PVP looks like. I've been in plenty a fleet fight, with logi on both sides, and no, it doesn't go the way you assert it does if logi is countered effectively. In Khanid, my mixed bag kitchen-sink fleet of sentry drone and smartbombing battleships and EWAR support cruisers vs NCdots 30 or so BLOPS and two triage carriers. We kicked their arse and took their R64. Now I know what you're thinkging: "but NCdot suck". That's fine, so did we. Most of my fleet hadn't been playing the game for more than three months.

The game CCP puts in its trailers is a challenging one. Logi is a part of that challenge. You adapt to the game, or you die. Don't expect the game to adapt to you.

and it doesn't.

Yeah...no. A battleship dies, on average, every 7.5 minutes? WTF? Were you around for those fights before logi was what it is now? BS were sniper BS and they vaporized the primary almost instantly. And yes there was alot of warping around and repositioning and it was fun...but making fights like that take 10x as long or longer, that is not fun that is a job.

What is PvP?`

Ok...I'm trolling but please for gods sake realise that most players dont do PvP in this game and that there are so many things that need to be changed in this game so I don't know where to start (I did start some time but got downvoted for "trolling" whatever that is...). Changing some obscure PvP setting wont make EVE great again.

Every player in EvE participates in some form of PvP. You simply cannot escape it if you do anything in the game beyond ship spin and use chat rooms. You may not participate in ship to ship combat with other players, but you participate in PvP.

Stop deluding yourself, realize this is a fact.

Some of the most boring fights I have ever been in were long, others were extremely short. Length of the battle in time is not what makes a fight fun, what happens during that time is what makes a fight fun.


I do not disagree with you on this but we need to adjust the terms used to better represent what is actually happening in the game.
To put market trading etc into the same discussion category as actual PvP(shoot each other) simply does not work well and it often confuses players and issues / ideas.