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Coils Tibus
Doomheim
#121 - 2016-12-02 11:59:14 UTC
First post, new alpha clone player.

Firstly I'm very grateful to be able to try this game out as "f2p"

I would like to point out a couple things though.

Blizzard at one time, still to a degree, had one of the largest profit margins in the history of American commerce. Based on the subscription model. It was a license to print money.

Secondly, there is plenty of true f2p games that has zero problems paying the bills, in fact many games that have gone the f2p route did so because of the desire to make MORE money, not to avoid bankruptcy. This is surely the case here as well.

Lastly, there are plenty of people who aren't comfortable paying for a game over and over and over to the tune of hundreds of dollars a year, regardless if they can afford it or not.

However, I am also perfectly happy with the model and have no complaints.
Have fun out there, I know I am.
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#122 - 2016-12-02 12:14:33 UTC
Coils Tibus wrote:
First post, new alpha clone player.

Firstly I'm very grateful to be able to try this game out as "f2p"

I would like to point out a couple things though.

Blizzard at one time, still to a degree, had one of the largest profit margins in the history of American commerce. Based on the subscription model. It was a license to print money.

Secondly, there is plenty of true f2p games that has zero problems paying the bills, in fact many games that have gone the f2p route did so because of the desire to make MORE money, not to avoid bankruptcy. This is surely the case here as well.

Lastly, there are plenty of people who aren't comfortable paying for a game over and over and over to the tune of hundreds of dollars a year, regardless if they can afford it or not.

However, I am also perfectly happy with the model and have no complaints.
Have fun out there, I know I am.


CCP aren't Blizzard, and have a completely different game on their hands. It's as much about paying the bills as it is about not breaking the game at its very core by implementing a free to play model that doesn't suit it. This is as much a true free to play game as any freemium game out there, it's just a different model than you're used to. There's a good reason for that - it's a different game than you're used to, as well. People who aren't comfortable paying for a game like this with the subscription model available don't have to anymore though. That's the point. They can put their main aside and occasionally sub him up or PLEX him in-game, but even if it's not subbed, they can make a new alpha and still enjoy it on a more casual basis.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#123 - 2016-12-02 12:17:42 UTC
Naye Nathaniel wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Naye Nathaniel wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Zi DoLphE Dutuitisme wrote:
this version of eve is not the definition of a free to play game... as simply as that ;)


It's not that simple at all. You actually have access to a full game for free. All the gameplay that is available in EVE is available for free. The fact you can't do things as effectively as people who pay is meaningless. The fact you can do them at all, for free, is what matters. You are getting a whole lot of game for a whole lot of nothing. That is the very definition of free to play. Just because you expect everyone to do it the same way as your favourite free to play game doesn't mean they're not free if they don't do it that way.



This state is incorrect;
As Alphas you cant use "Jump ships";
U can't use even a single PI stuff;

So...incorrect


You're so concerned with what you can't do for free that you've completely ignored what you can do in the game for free, and that blows me away. You're thinking about this all wrong. The fact that CCP have given you ANYTHING for free is not just mindblowingly generous, but also a whole helluva lot more than what you've ******* paid for. So stop being a greedy little schlub, and subscribe.


Are u stupid or just trolling?


Neither. I'm telling it like it is. HTFU.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Prince Kobol
#124 - 2016-12-02 12:22:13 UTC
Annette Durado wrote:
I'm a former player that has come back because the game is 'free'. I didn't really want to pay as Eve is just one of many games I am interested in (others are single player, one off cost and some MMOs that I bought to play).

So I log into the 'free' Eve and nothing is free. Any skill I need to develop requires a paid sub as I've got the basic ones already. The ships I already own, I can't fly because I need a sub.

So in effect, Eve isn't free to play, it's free to try and when you actually get a few skills, you cannot progress or do anything meaningful until you sub. Why not just extend the trail period for like, a month or two?


I guess it all comes down to what your definition of Free 2 play is.

Can you log in the game and play without having to spend any money, yes you can.

Can you log in and access everything in game without having to spend money, no you cant.

Most Free 2 Play games follow this model. That's how they make their money.

So technically Eve Free 2 Play, its just some of its content is pay walled, pretty much like most other free 2 play games.


Zi DoLphE Dutuitisme
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#125 - 2016-12-02 12:33:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Zi DoLphE Dutuitisme
Toobo wrote:



This actually true. Sure alpha accounts cannot fly certain things, like T2/T3 fits/ahipa for example, but there are T1 counterparts that function. In terms of 'content' you are not really restricted. You can still be in fleet fights, you are not barred from scanning and entering WH, null gates do not stop you from jumping in, NPC stations let you dock wherever you are, etc. While ships and fit choices may be limited, the space itself is totally unlimited, for free!




I don't know if you're new to the game or if you got an old char, but imo, excluding t2/3 ships from the "relevant" content of a pretended F2P eve online is a big mistake... Going into a fleet isn't a content, it's a mechanic ! As much as visiting WH or 0.0 ! And F2P or not, all mechanics being accessible to all the players must be a sure thing ! Especially for a single server game ! Once again, F2P is a label that must make ALL THE CONTENT (and not the mechanics) available for free (except workshop ofc, but that's the way devs can win money in F2P !), alpha or not ! It's not like t2/3 ships ar in an alpha test, these ships exist for a while now ! Making a part of the content free (but the rest like it used to be) is (once and once again) not the definition of an F2P label ! workshop contains some accessories for your char ... etc but certainly not t2/3 ships... those are part of the game as much as the t2 modules you gonna fit !
And once again i'm not criticising this in the way that it's too expensive, but by the fact that F2P anouncement was a false advertising (like the topic tittle suggests) ! end of the story !

HF
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#126 - 2016-12-02 12:49:11 UTC
Zi DoLphE Dutuitisme wrote:
Toobo wrote:



This actually true. Sure alpha accounts cannot fly certain things, like T2/T3 fits/ahipa for example, but there are T1 counterparts that function. In terms of 'content' you are not really restricted. You can still be in fleet fights, you are not barred from scanning and entering WH, null gates do not stop you from jumping in, NPC stations let you dock wherever you are, etc. While ships and fit choices may be limited, the space itself is totally unlimited, for free!




I don't know if you're new to the game or if you got an old char, but imo, excluding t2/3 ships from the "relevant" content of a pretended F2P eve online is a big mistake... Going into a fleet isn't a content, it's a mechanic ! As much as visiting WH or 0.0 ! And F2P or not, all mechanics being accessible to all the players must be a sure thing ! Especially for a single server game ! Once again, F2P is a label that must make ALL THE CONTENT (and not the mechanics) available for free (except workshop ofc, but that's the way devs can win money in F2P !), alpha or not ! It's not like t2/3 ships ar in an alpha test, these ships exist for a while now ! Making a part of the content free (but the rest like it used to be) is (once and once again) not the definition of an F2P label ! workshop contains some accessories for your char ... etc but certainly not t2/3 ships... those are part of the game as much as the t2 modules you gonna fit !
And once again i'm not criticising this in the way that it's too expensive, but by the fact that F2P anouncement was a false advertising (like the topic tittle suggests) ! end of the story !

HF


No, there is no rule anywhere that states that free to play means all content has to be available for free. And no, making t2s and t3s available for free? Are you mad? Again, your own ignorance of how much content is available for free is your own problem, your own entitlement at work. This game is available to play for free, that makes it free to play. If you can log in, undock, and shoot rats for free, and make in-game isk for that, you are playing for free. I suggest you finish high-school before engaging inany further arguments, please, and learn some critical thinking skills. And some grammar.

I'm not new. Excluding t2/3 from alphas is necessary. You don't have to like it, and you can kick and scream about it all you want, but if you think CCP are going to give everything away just because you stomp your feet and froth at your mouth over semantics, you're mistaken.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Mortlake
Republic Military School
#127 - 2016-12-02 13:10:18 UTC
Annette Durado wrote:
Ha, good to see the fanboy toxic community hasn't changed. You really cannot say anything negative about the game without people scrambling out of the woodwork in defence of everything. Was to be expected - it's why people don't stick around.

In other walks of life, people can make a comment without being attacked right away, but never in Eve.


This is sadly indicative of the prevalent and entitled 'I require something for nothing' attitude that many of our young people have today.

Frankly I fear for the future and I'm pleased that you don't intend to continue to be a part of our community. We have enough problems with miners as it is, without 'your sort' adding to it.

Go on, sling your hook.



Sometimes you hit the bar and sometimes the bar hits you...
Zi DoLphE Dutuitisme
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#128 - 2016-12-02 23:00:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Zi DoLphE Dutuitisme
Remiel Pollard wrote:


No, there is no rule anywhere that states that free to play means all content has to be available for free. And no, making t2s and t3s available for free? Are you mad? Again, your own ignorance of how much content is available for free is your own problem, your own entitlement at work. This game is available to play for free, that makes it free to play. If you can log in, undock, and shoot rats for free, and make in-game isk for that, you are playing for free. I suggest you finish high-school before engaging inany further arguments, please, and learn some critical thinking skills. And some grammar.

I'm not new. Excluding t2/3 from alphas is necessary. You don't have to like it, and you can kick and scream about it all you want, but if you think CCP are going to give everything away just because you stomp your feet and froth at your mouth over semantics, you're mistaken.



Did i say i wanted all this for free? Again, read carefully before posting, you guy just make fool of yourself ! Eve advertised F2P in november and every single one of eve player was expecting that... every single one of 'em has been disappointed, even if i'm happy that some of the content is available for free ! Once again, i don't say they were unhappy that some of the content is finally available for free, but that this is not what was expecting when ccp announced F2P ! If you can't get that, you're lost !
And criticising grammar while i'm doing the effort of writing in a language which isn't my maternal language is soooooooooooooooooooooooooooo clever ! You're a good kid (/troll) ! I'll try to learn some grammar... try to learn the respect ! Just joking ! ......... or am i ?...!
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#129 - 2016-12-02 23:24:22 UTC
Zi DoLphE Dutuitisme wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:


No, there is no rule anywhere that states that free to play means all content has to be available for free. And no, making t2s and t3s available for free? Are you mad? Again, your own ignorance of how much content is available for free is your own problem, your own entitlement at work. This game is available to play for free, that makes it free to play. If you can log in, undock, and shoot rats for free, and make in-game isk for that, you are playing for free. I suggest you finish high-school before engaging inany further arguments, please, and learn some critical thinking skills. And some grammar.

I'm not new. Excluding t2/3 from alphas is necessary. You don't have to like it, and you can kick and scream about it all you want, but if you think CCP are going to give everything away just because you stomp your feet and froth at your mouth over semantics, you're mistaken.



Did i say i wanted all this for free? Again, read carefully before posting, you guy just make fool of yourself ! Eve advertised F2P in november and every single one of eve player was expecting that... every single one of 'em has been disappointed, even if i'm happy that some of the content is available for free ! Once again, i don't say they were unhappy that some of the content is finally available for free, but that this is not what was expecting when ccp announced F2P ! If you can't get that, you're lost !
And criticising grammar while i'm doing the effort of writing in a language which isn't my maternal language is soooooooooooooooooooooooooooo clever ! You're a good kid (/troll) ! I'll try to learn some grammar... try to learn the respect ! Just joking ! ......... or am i ?...!


You don't have to say it. Your manufactured outrage over semantics is enough to reveal it.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Princess Adhara
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#130 - 2016-12-03 04:01:57 UTC
Bumblefck wrote:
Annette Durado wrote:
Bumblefck wrote:
Well, when you're wrong you're wrong.


In other people's opinion obviously, but it's how they go about telling you that they think you are wrong. As I said, usually a pretty toxic community and why people come into the game and leave. Numbers dwindling so it would be better to be more adult when responding to people who make a fair observation even if you don't agree with it.



In that case, may I partake of your possessions and skill points, if the community is too toxic for you to continue here?


There's even a pve mission to filter out people who can't handle toxic!
Toobo
Project Fruit House
#131 - 2016-12-03 06:28:22 UTC
/Zi DoLphE Dutuitisme

I'm sorrry but I don't think I understand your point anymore. First you quoted me and talked about T2/T3 not being available as though that was a 'problem' or some kind of a 'proof' that not all content is available for free, but then later you reply to Remiel that you never said T2/T3 should be 'free'?

I can vaguely understand you (even if I may not agree) if you say 'everything should be free or it's not F2P as advertised', but at the same time you are saying T2/T3 should not be 'free'?

Who decides what needs to be 'free' to qualify a game to be F2P? And no access to T2/T3 does not restrict 'content' for you as much as you seem to think. I'm not a new player, can fly all T2/T3 in game, etc, etc. But you can make perfectly valid contribution to a fleet PVP in T1 ships fit with meta modules. Heck, you can have a whole fleet of destroyers fit with meta modules and they will not be a negligible force in ANY space. You can, on your free account, use T1/meta modules, group up with other people playing for free, and annihilate an Omega subscriber's multi billion ISK ship for which he skilled up & have the right to fly/use modules for by virtue of having a paid sub.

You can play and fly for free, with limits, but you are also free to interact with other players and group up and fight players who are paying for subs, and the win or loss will not be determined by whether someone is Alpha or Omega, but the outcome will depend on who set up a better op? Isn't that great? I have many paid accounts (some RL money paid subs and some paid with PLEX), but if I mess up I can easily be killed by group of alpha toons - isn't that great? :P

Cheers Love! The cavalry's here!