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Open letter to Mr. Pétursson / ピエトルソン氏への公開状

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Sort Dragon
Resilience.
The Initiative.
#121 - 2016-11-25 11:01:28 UTC
I have had the pleasure of knowing and playing alongside Japanese Eve players for many years now, they are a great group to play alongside and bring a great number of people to the Au tz community as a whole.

I sign this letter in the hope we can help them get the continued support they need just like many other countries and cultures from the global EVE community.
Dexsar
Upstairs Corporation
Caladrius Alliance
#122 - 2016-11-25 11:05:46 UTC
Add +1 !

and thanks you sort !
Rhivre
TarNec
Invisible Exchequer
#123 - 2016-11-25 11:08:38 UTC
There are many problems with localization in Eve, hopefully this letter, along with the one from the Russian speaking players, brings it to the attention of CCP.
Tyson Litltntking
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#124 - 2016-11-25 11:15:58 UTC
I understand the frustration, and I also understand that CCP may not be able to achieve this quickly due to priorities. Saying this I do agree that the issue does exist and I have heard players complain about strange translations. Hopefully CCP applies these changes to help resolve the issue.

I agree with this. Please help out our Japanese Bros CCP.
BearBear
Hashlbrown
Kiwis In Space
Shadow Cartel
#125 - 2016-11-25 11:16:06 UTC
+1 because I have had the pleasure of playing alongside some of the most respectful player bases to date, CCPLS
Karsten
Blueprint Haus
Blades of Grass
#126 - 2016-11-25 11:16:35 UTC
I fully agree to this content.
If localization is done, please do it properly. Otherwise it does more harm than good.
I am glad to see our Japanese space friends still flying along with us despite all the difficulties they are facing. Please help them!
Syrphid
Sodium Chloride Mining Institute
Domain Research and Mining Inst.
#127 - 2016-11-25 11:17:57 UTC
I live in south pacific and i m all of this japanese people... Fly safe Bro
Secue Nahrnid
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#128 - 2016-11-25 11:19:46 UTC
+1 I support this petition, even though I don't speak Japanese, they need to feel included and have enough support just like everyone else.
Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation
Pandemic Legion
#129 - 2016-11-25 11:23:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Rivr Luzade
Relevant video regarding particular cases of EVE localization.

Personal opinion (also as a person working as translator). When you play together with people from other countries, English is the Lingua Franca. If someone starts talking to you about some localized ship/module/NPC/ammo, it becomes increasingly hard to communicate with other people.

As a translator, it is oftentimes incredibly hard to get necessary context for certain parts of the translation (for instance when module names and descriptions are being translated separated from each other), which results in sub-optimal translations. Better organization of translation texts and somewhat more interaction with the community during the localization process could go a long way to improve things, especially in languages with limited support. Although, this can also open a box of worms because most ordinary people have no clue whatsoever about localization and their input could actually lead worse results.

UI Improvement Collective

My ridicule, heavy criticism and general pale outlook about your or CCP's ideas is nothing but an encouragement to prove me wrong. Give it a try.

Atushi
Electric Sheep Machinery
Caladrius Alliance
#130 - 2016-11-25 11:23:44 UTC
賛同するぜよ。
Basil Vulpine
Blueprint Haus
Blades of Grass
#131 - 2016-11-25 11:28:59 UTC
I'd miss our Japanese friends if they weren't around.

Localisation seems to be a knotty problem. CCP as a company isn't large enough to employ a native speaker of every language as a "CCP Falcon Jr, GM, Translator and prime-time help channel moderator".

With the current ease of patching maybe it's time for CCP to crowdsource a chunk of translation? Do a first publish using the current process, solicit alternatives submitted to an open section. Then involve a couple of respected community members (corp CEOs or their nominated person?) to pick a favourite and use that in place of the first cut version.

The process needs to be good enough to weed out the google translates and boaty mcboatfaces but loose enough that it doesn't get mired in a preference over turn of phrase. If several are good enough then hash their words, use each hash as a random seed for an AI fight of rifters at the sun.
Pearly Dew
Smart Bears
#132 - 2016-11-25 11:33:43 UTC
+1
also, thank you mates and sir sort !
hikaru january
Mangetukouya
#133 - 2016-11-25 11:39:04 UTC
賛同します
Caldari Citizen 93520421
NACHO Wormhole noT Found
NACHO Alliance
#134 - 2016-11-25 11:45:19 UTC
賛同します。
Doguu
Amarr Hunt Operation
#135 - 2016-11-25 11:49:46 UTC
賛同します!! ワルター氏の心意気が頼もしいです^^
silvermint Vyvorant
Men at Star Ships Association
#136 - 2016-11-25 11:58:30 UTC
賛同します。
Chatora Paaltomo
Neo Academic Class Helping Office
NACHO Alliance
#137 - 2016-11-25 11:59:09 UTC
賛同します
Durallian
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#138 - 2016-11-25 12:14:36 UTC
より多くの多様性はより大きい理解をもたらす
More diversity leads to greater understanding
Yakekuru
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#139 - 2016-11-25 12:28:50 UTC
賛同します
Twizzlespark Celes
4S Corporation
The Initiative.
#140 - 2016-11-25 12:29:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Twizzlespark Celes
I would like to sign this letter for the improvement of Japanese localization and continued language/translation support.

Japanese community adds great value to the EVE experience of many, including myself.

The Japanese community not only brings fascinating story of two rival factions of caladrius and vox populi to EVE, but also contributes heavily to the vitality of EVE AUTZ as a whole.

Language barrier is a big problem for Japanese players, arguably more so than Russians, who are also known to share the exact same complaints as the original poster.

I want to warn CCP against giving up the rich diversity EVE has, and would like to encourage continued and further support for language other than English.