Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Hi there,

The problem with the industrials is that the specialist hold ships are faction specific. With Gallente having by far the most useful industrial ships. The Kryos for minerals, Miasmos for ore, Epithal for planetary resources, In contrast to this Minmatar only has the hoarder for ammo haulage, and this only has a niche application. Calldari and Amarr get the short end of the stick with no specialist ships whatsoever. This problem is likely to become even more pronounced with the indroduction of alpha clone faction limitations.

So the solution I propose is simple. Make a freight container object, which when assembled gives a much larger hold capacity, and limited to a specific resource type. The volume of the assembled container, it's resource cost, and commodity volume would all need to be balanced to make it attractive, but not as compeditive with the specialist Gallente/Minmatar ships. The idea being that this container would take the full capacity of a tech I industrial, but allow a reasonable commodity stowage space.

This would go a long way toward correcting the imbalance, and allow Caldari, Minmatar, and Amarr alphas to have some capability as industrialists and haulers.

Interesting maybe. I'm not sure how it would work exactly. Rigs operate by enhancing one attribute while reducing another. Standard industrials do not have an Ore Hold, Mineral Hold, or Planetary Hold. So we are talking about generating an attribute which does not exist on the ship.

The purpose of a Freight Container, is that it consumes cargo space while creating an even larger space inside of itself. I'm just taking this idea one step further by increasing the internal space by an order of magnitude and limiting it to a certain type of cargo. The idea being that this container would entirely consume cargo space on a large tech I industrial. Essentially turning it into a specialised hauler by adding or removing these containers.

Its related to how the game used to be set up
Back in the day ship command skills didnt unlock everything.
If you bought a cruiser one cruiser might need level 4 cruiser and another cruiser might need level 1 or 2.
Same for industrials. Those galente industrials were called iterons Mark 1-5.
They were not specialized and neither were any of the other t1 industrials.
Iteron Mark 1 had small cargo hold and you got it at level 1 of gal industry.
If you kept ranking up gal industry you unlocked Mark 2, Mark 3, Mark 4, and eventually Mark 5.

Then they tiericded all the ships and made it so gallery industry unlocked all the ships and had 5 ships suddenly unlocked at the same level that all did the same thing so they went in and started giving them roles.

Those ships originate from a time when all the industrials just had large cargo holds and they were all essentially the same.
They never needed to create more industrial ships at the time. It skews industry in gallentes favor for alphas, trial accounts never had racial limits so when you made a trial you could train any races ships you wanted. Its one of the mistakes in the current alpha program that needs to be fixed.

But the one ship is useless to alphas anyway, alpha clones don't get access to planetary management so the ship with the hold for that should be wholly useless to alphas. Gallentes do get ore hold and mineral holds tho.
The current way to fix it would be to come up with used for the other ships like giving them larger unspecialized holds or potentially someyhing else like amarrs a tough armor tank, or caldari better shields. But they both already have a lot of low and mid slots for their tanks. Or even give them potentially high slots and maybe a side bonus to something like salvagers/tractor beams maybe. The non ammo minmatar ones are really fast at least

I hate tiericide.

Moved to Player Feature and Ideas.

would rather see the cargo hold variants spread out across the empires and have a few more added (fuel/components) and since we are talking about indi ships my sig has another suggestion

No it is not just you. Making the specialized industrial ships a spin off of ORE or maybe Sisters of EvE would have been the best idea, leaving each faction with a single general purpose industrial.

The best idea would have been to not implement any special cargo bays at all. But they simply didn't know what else to do with those "additional" ships. They decided to not remove them in the first place and then looked for something useful to do with them.

Hyperbole much?

You are not being "****** over" because you lack access to 1 to 3 "specialist ships" that were literally made for giggles.
You can do PI, or haul ore, or move ammo in any of the other industrial ships.

Mind you, you will not do it as well as any of those specialist ships... but you can still do it!

Hmmm... it sounds like those ships need to be beaten with a nerfbat.

They should not be able to out-compete regular industrials like that.