Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Just an idea...

make Alphas totally free to play, no lockouts, gated stuff, ALL content, skills, everything FREE to play, like other mmo's do.

Another idea to get this to happen is...

Offer limited lifetime options to boost CCP income. Add buffs, cosmetics and more stuff to the shop, nothing that you cant get ingame by grinding away, or a rere drop.

Offer subs that give points each month to spend in shop, again no p2w stuff.

This has worked in other mmo's, so why not eve?

Any updated content free players have to buy, premiums or subbers get a discount.

With regard to costs, I am no programmer, or networking person, but I was looking at SETI and how they use computing power across the world, they use tiny bits of people computers, this all add up, would it be possible to do this as a future shard or server?

If the above works, CCP would get revenue, big boost and save on costs...

Are you talking about an entirely seperate server from tranquility that would be free to play?

You do not need L4 missions to afford cruisers or destroyers for PVP. That is the entire point of the item limitations for the Alpha clones: You do not need the big ISK grind in order to afford the tools for PVP fun.

Yes, it would massively upset the balance. Just because you increased the salvage drops, shiny loot drops or module drops 1000x does not mean that the demand increases 1000x. In fact, demand won't increase at all and all the things that drop from exploration sites are now 1000x worth less than they used to be and thus your income is at best unchanged and at worst lower than before.

You could see that happen? Well, news flash: EVE has hundreds of tripple-digit billionaires, thousands of double-digit billionaires and many trillionaires.
Furthermore, supply of things is limited, in EVE as in Real Life. If everyone had been given 2M of $randomcurrency$ they would not automatically be able to buy all the "things they dreamed off", in fact most people would not be able to and after a short while having 2M on your account would mean you are among the poorest of the poor because a loaf of bread now costs 5M. What it also means is that people who could actually buy "things they dreamed off" are now stuck with these things and their ever increasing maintenance cost. Just because you could buy a private jet or yacht or luxury car does not mean you are able to afford the maintenance cost like insurance, repairs, taxes, fuel, or usage fees. You now have something sitting around that costs you money and you can't use it because you have no money to do so. Same goes for EVE: Just because you could buy a Marauder, capital ship or jump freighter does not mean you are able (let alone capable) of using it without bankrupting yourself.

In conclusion, your comprehension of how markets work and how money infusions work is pathetic and mixing supply-demand up with buy low, sell high does not make it any better.
Also, your suggestion for total F2P does not work in other games. It makes other games worse because it introduces P2W into the games because no one wants to pay regular money for just vanity items. Instead, people want actual advantages they can buy for money. This is not only a nightmare from a balance point of view (it is outright impossible to balance because advantages inherently are better than other things) but only allows those with deep RL wallets to have "fun" while others are stuck as victimized cattle or run into debts because they feel coerced to pay more to keep up with the other players. F2P does not make a game better, it makes it worse and tricks and coerces you to pay more than what the current subscription costs, for instance.

Calling me nasty things while accusing me of name calling and toxicity humors me.

If CCP wants to keep EVE alive, they have to earn some money with something. Subscriptions are by far the most reliable and easy to manage income model because it is predictable for both CCP and players and decreases hassle and negative experiences. Furthermore, in order to keep EVE going, they need to think up things that make me want to log in, play and pay my subscription. Things that keep the universe interesting while not totally screwing things up just for the sake of it.
Making EVE F2P, however, removes that income, and vanity item sales cannot compensate for that, ever. Unless, of course, you made them consumable, which in turn would just be a shameless money grab and I would rather opt for walking around in underwear than buying any of this, which is not allowed so that I would have to leave EVE for good. F2P also does not add anything that makes me want to log in, it only adds features that force me to rip my wallet and credit card a new drainage hole.
Even if you only PVE, you would still need to buy things that give you advantages in order to stay at least somewhat competitive and not get your PVE-activities stolen by other players. That costs you more money than what you currently spend on a, by comparison, fair game (no hard advantages purchasable by money available, just some accelerators).
There is no F2P game in existence that does not coerce you into buying expensive things on a regular basis if you do not want to suffer from long wait times, counting on sheer luck to progress or get stomped into the ground by other players who pay, which are all things that make the gameplay experience worse, less fun and in fact more expensive than the current subscription model of EVE. And all these downsides are amplified by the competitive PVP nature of EVE, augmenting the downsides for all those who do not want to pay. Imagine having to pay for a certain ship or ship functionality to participate in fleets and the rest of the fleet has to wait just for you or leaves you behind because you don't get your act together. Sounds like a great experience to me.
Your comprehension of "F2P" is, just like that of the markets, pathetic and advising me to use an Avatar as buttplug won't change that. So, please humor me further. Would you maybe have an actual argument how F2P could possibly make the game better? I do not see any.

In what way does f2p work for other mmo's? They rise and fall in a matter of months...
Even your own suggestion is p2w. Just the shittier kind.

Alphas will definitely be able to run level 4's if they work in groups. They will also be able to do low sec anoms in groups.

I agree.

Here is how distributed computing works. You install client, it runs the application to run complex algorithms. It pulls down a data file, this is what it chews on....for hours. Periodically you submit results back to their servers when packets are done.

On the back end, their servers run verification of data, sorting and collating and their eggheads process this data somewhere else.

There is nothing instantaneous about this. Being as instant as possible...kind of a need for server clusters. Why you pay for nice backbone interconnects. 1gb, fiber, other wide channel options that move that data like you just ate a whole bottle of laxatives fast to put in real plain terms. .


Your basic server cluster structure has a few features. The big one is they are on the same network segment to not hate life. 3 node cluster they will all be 10.126.43.X /24 (ye old 255.255.255.0) Where X will be for ease of naming 4,5,6. Off the same server switch that knows quite well what is connected to it.

You don't want one node saying hey node 2? Node 2 where you at?....Hey switch, where is my boy at? I don't know, but I know a router who knows a router who knows a router who knows. Even on a network you control and its cisco (or juniper....up and comer and don't want to come off as a cisco fanboy) hi speed goodness...this is bad.

Now with your idea....we are throwing in a crappy linksys (vice a 20,000 cisco one most things are crap lol) across god knows how many miles of cable. Not the ideal way to run a cluster....an understatement.

If totally free....the game would be dead.

None of the bait and lures of F2P work here.

Cosmetics...not meaning all that to many. Ye old zoom out to see the big picture. Or to offset graphic stress, lag, etc.

Or in so many ships its not cost effective to buy. Unlike other MMO's/RPG's where you will look at that player class X for days and days and days in eve one cold fly several ships in just one night. I fly no less than 3 ships in 2 hours. My rattler gets the nod for some missions, others tengu, and I have move around ships (inty or bomber for fast and slippery runs, can be orca or a ninjya transport based on hauling needs that come up).


Their cosmetics are limited. Only reason I have a some skins is because of the very low price they had on minmatar stuff 2-3 weeks ago. I hated the rusty camo of slepinir. Got a niddy skin too, rusty roof not me. At like 250-400...sure. CCP did a deep discount there from 1000+ for starters. At 1000+....I'd still kick the rusty look.

Said in another thread cosmetics to sell better and be viable as income have to modify the appearance. 2 issues there.

CCP seems to want to keep basic looks. Blizzard in HoS I have d3 chars decked out SC style...and vice versa. Latest buy was a wth Kerrigan/Queen of Blades mash up. Queen of biades appearance...dressed up as Kerrigan was when a ghost member. I don't see ccp letting me have say Kronos....look like a rokh. Which I would pay for. I like the rokh model look....its just meh for pve which I do most now. Now kronos abilities...looking like a rokh. shut up and take my money CCP. This will never happen.

CCP is also lacking the strong IP portfolio blizzard has. Like above, blizzard holds several viable IP's so they can mix at will as its their IP's. CCP has eve and valkyrie. Which are joined at the hip. They can't mix things up.

Name one single activity in this game that is not competitive.

Just one. I'll wait.

As a player with 100mil SP I feel particularly jaded by the F2P model they went for.

I'd still play this game if I could use all my existing SP etc etc, with gaining SP being a function of injectors or PLEX.

This restriction of my character when I am IRL 99% detached from the game is not going to encourage me to drop $ on a product I enjoy less than other games which I've played for 500+ hrs without spending a dollar on them. Some games I do spend a bit of money on, most games I don't. I still ain't coughing up $14 a month or whatever for EVE when pay-once-play-forever models still exist and when other actual F2P games offer just as much value for zero.