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CCP why can't I log an Omega and Alpha account on at the same time

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Salvos Rhoska
#61 - 2016-11-22 09:59:43 UTC
Im not frothing. You seem to be the one getting emotionally involved.

This is just debate and intellectual exercise.

I maintain my arguments are rational and valid.
So too, however, is CCPs choice, depending on how you look at it.
Will it cause a change in CCP policy in the foreseeable future, extremely unlikely.
Do I expect that, or is it my motivation? No.

Remi, relax. This is not a life or death issue.
The game goes on.
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#62 - 2016-11-22 10:15:40 UTC
CCP fanboi reporting in.

OP is a whining brat.

Alpha clones are CCP's way of addressing the problems that some players have with the trial offers: they don't really get enough time to sink their teeth into the game and understand what it's all about. So now they have all the time in the world to learn, establish some relationships, and figure out that the game plays them :D

Salvos Rhoska wrote:
I paid for an Omega account.

Why then should I not have the capacity to fly a free Alpha simultaneously with it.


But you do. Every time you log in on an Omega account, you have access to the Alpha account it's sitting on top of. I have access to all the alpha skills that I've already trained, and all the Omega skills I've paid for access to. I also get access to Alpha SP training rate, as well as the 2x training speed bonus of the Omega account.

You make it sound like paying for something entitles you to get something else for free. This is not logical.

It appears that your line of reasoning is predicated on the assumption that you are losing access to the Alpha part of the account when you pay for the Omega extras on top.
Matthias Ancaladron
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#63 - 2016-11-22 10:22:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Matthias Ancaladron
You have an omega account. Wtf do you need an alpha for.
Just log in another omega account.

At least I openly admit I'm dirt poor and don't have a lot of extra money to spend on gaming.
I got an old dinky laptop that barely runs the game and I only had the chance to play it for a few months with a friends code back in high school to show me the game.
And this guys already got accounts and has his fair share and is asking for more lol.
People can go ahead and call me entitled if I want to expand alphas a bit so they're less restrictive considering I'm usually brok at the end of the week and have to skim wifi but hey it's a free account it can't do everything. I'll take what I can get and hopefully ccp decides it won't hurt to make them better than their current state later on. I'm entirely happy to sit alone in my room and be able to **** around mining in a venture even if there's no where for me to advance.

but LOL at a guy with an active omega account complaining about not being able to log in an alpha at the same time. That's worse than entitlement.
Go play your main and enjoy having full access to the game, why would you want to waste time holding it on a gimped racially bound account that can't really do anything.
I just can't understand that at all lmao.
Lan Wang
Knights of the Posing Meat
Snuffed Out
#64 - 2016-11-22 10:23:04 UTC
Scipio Artelius wrote:
It was also impossible before this change, to have a trial account and a subscribed account logged in together.

Why is it such an issue all of a sudden?


Because free alts and entitlement

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*

Rayit
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#65 - 2016-11-22 10:52:58 UTC
Wow. I thought the toxic reputation that the Eve community has was just a running joke.

Don't make suggestions people. You're being entitled, narrow minded and should just shut up.
Lan Wang
Knights of the Posing Meat
Snuffed Out
#66 - 2016-11-22 11:00:22 UTC
Rayit wrote:
Wow. I thought the toxic reputation that the Eve community has was just a running joke.

Don't make suggestions people. You're being entitled, narrow minded and should just shut up.


why would it be a running joke?

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*

Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#67 - 2016-11-22 11:03:53 UTC
Rayit wrote:
Wow. I thought the toxic reputation that the Eve community has was just a running joke.

Don't make suggestions people. You're being entitled, narrow minded and should just shut up.


Making a suggestion is one thing, whining like an entitled brat is another.
Remiel Pollard
Shock Treatment Ministries
#68 - 2016-11-22 11:20:48 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:


I maintain my arguments are rational and valid.


Well of course you would. Forget the fact that you've been told in no uncertain terms why they're not just not rational or valid, but completely irrelevant, you're never going to admit you're wrong even when you're screaming black and blue that the sky is red god dammit!

I don't think you would understand the first thing about 'intellectual exercise' if Isaac Newton himself travelled through time and bought you a treadmill.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104

xxxTRUSTxxx
Galactic Rangers
Already Replaced.
#69 - 2016-11-22 11:22:57 UTC
Rayit wrote:
Wow. I thought the toxic reputation that the Eve community has was just a running joke.

Don't make suggestions people. You're being entitled, narrow minded and should just shut up.


OP didn't make a suggestion, he asked a question which was already answered by the devs long before launch.

the guy just wants a free alt, can't blame him, who wouldn't want one, but it's not allowed while you fly an omega.

nothing toxic about anyones responses considering the OP is playing as long as they are and should know better.

best you leave them rumours and reputaions at the door and get to know the community before you judge it.

if this had been a suggestion it would have been moved to the correct section of the forums. it remains in GD because it was not a suggestion, it was a demand by a player who feels becasue he's payed for the game for x amount of time this should entitle him to a free account (an alt account)



Nat Silverguard
Aideron Robotics
#70 - 2016-11-22 11:41:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Nat Silverguard
Rayit wrote:
Wow. I thought the toxic reputation that the Eve community has was just a running joke.

Don't make suggestions people. You're being entitled, narrow minded and should just shut up.


dude, nobody here is toxic more than the OP, lol.

anyway,

1. players can make suggestions
2. suggestions should be atleast reasonable and logical, and
3. suggestions should be posted in the correct section/thread, which is this

Just Add Water

Nat Silverguard
Aideron Robotics
#71 - 2016-11-22 12:43:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Nat Silverguard
*double post*

Just Add Water

Salvos Rhoska
#72 - 2016-11-22 13:15:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Salvos Rhoska
Anyways, situation is what it is.

I wouldnt be surprised if CCP further granulates the Alpha/Omega account statuses in a year or so.
Perhaps as I suggested so that Omegas can fly an Alpha simultaneously (and I have explained how that can be beneficial in a previous post), if they are registered to the same email account. Perhaps so that there is a purchase/reward/item option for training additional characters on an Alpha account at Alpha rates. Or option of training an Omega account character at Alpha rates/restrictions.

Who knows. Many possibilities. Depends on how the Alpha/Omega project pans out.

Content Packs suffered a hard hit in value from this change, since they used to offer (additionally to other value) 15+20 days of full value SP training.
(As well as possibly making advantage of Recruit a Friend, but Im not sure).
Also, down the line, there will predictably come a point where skill injectors might proliferate, as initial Alphas turned Omega start dumping SP they dont need for their purposes.

I didnt expect that my argument would be widely understood. It involves some hairsplitting and an unusual/unfamiliar (albeit logical and rationally valid) perspective on equity between free and paid services.

I "get" your arguments. I dont think you got mine.

No need to take any of this personally. We are just discussing/debating on an internet spaecship minigame forum.
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Memphis Baas
#73 - 2016-11-22 13:58:56 UTC
We get them, just don't agree. No malice, just disagreement.

For future iterations on the system, we expect CCP to follow what other MMO games have done, and itemize the various restrictions. Upgrade to Beta and you can train the Alpha skills from another race (or all of them), upgrade to Gamma and you can train battlecruisers / battleships, upgrade to Epsilon and you can have a training queue that spans 1 month instead of 1 day, and so on.

Any of the current restrictions, training speed, simultaneous logins, etc., are probably candidates for "pay to unlock".
Moac Tor
Cyber Core
Immediate Destruction
#74 - 2016-11-22 14:25:23 UTC
There is much entitled whining in this thread. This was always going to be a slippery slope once you start devaluing the game by dumbing it down and making things easier / cheaper to try and make more money. People will always want more.

This alpha clone thing isn't even much different from a trial account; and you couldn't run a trial alongside a full account. No one complained about that.
Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#75 - 2016-11-22 14:25:27 UTC
Lan Wang wrote:
Scipio Artelius wrote:
It was also impossible before this change, to have a trial account and a subscribed account logged in together.

Why is it such an issue all of a sudden?


Because free permanent alts and entitlement


Fixed that for you. It's kind of a big deal for that alt to not stop being accessible after 14/21 days.
Remiel Pollard
Shock Treatment Ministries
#76 - 2016-11-22 14:31:57 UTC
Memphis Baas wrote:
We get them, just don't agree. No malice, just disagreement.

For future iterations on the system, we expect CCP to follow what other MMO games have done, and itemize the various restrictions. Upgrade to Beta and you can train the Alpha skills from another race (or all of them), upgrade to Gamma and you can train battlecruisers / battleships, upgrade to Epsilon and you can have a training queue that spans 1 month instead of 1 day, and so on.

Any of the current restrictions, training speed, simultaneous logins, etc., are probably candidates for "pay to unlock".


No, EVE should not do what other games do. EVE should keep doing what it does best: being unique. Too many paywalls is way too complex, and I guarantee you more people will whine about that than this.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104

Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
#77 - 2016-11-22 14:37:09 UTC
For the OP, the simple answer to your question is that Eve has always been a pay to win game, you can only play the game effectively with two characters in space, otherwise you are an easy kill and I think you understand that by the way you posted.

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp

Remiel Pollard
Shock Treatment Ministries
#78 - 2016-11-22 14:40:28 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:
For the OP, the simple answer to your question is that Eve has always been a pay to win game, you can only play the game effectively with two characters in space, otherwise you are an easy kill and I think you understand that by the way you posted.



HAHAHA! Whatever mate, I've only ever played with one account and my KB speaks for itself.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104

Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
#79 - 2016-11-22 14:41:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Dracvlad
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
For the OP, the simple answer to your question is that Eve has always been a pay to win game, you can only play the game effectively with two characters in space, otherwise you are an easy kill and I think you understand that by the way you posted.



HAHAHA! Whatever mate, I've only ever played with one account and my KB speaks for itself.


Calm down ganker! Also there is no proof that you have only one account, just your word, which I have to say is not worth much!

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp

Remiel Pollard
Shock Treatment Ministries
#80 - 2016-11-22 14:48:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Remiel Pollard
Dracvlad wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
For the OP, the simple answer to your question is that Eve has always been a pay to win game, you can only play the game effectively with two characters in space, otherwise you are an easy kill and I think you understand that by the way you posted.



HAHAHA! Whatever mate, I've only ever played with one account and my KB speaks for itself.


Calm down ganker! Also there is no proof that you have only one account, just your word, which I have to say is not worth much!


Everyone that knows me well enough knows I only have one account. Whether or not you believe me is irrelevant. You're a nobody. But you'll never be able to tie another character to me as an alt of any kind, ever, because I don't have or use one. I've only ever played EVE with one account, and the three toons I have on this account, this one being my main, along with a hauling alt and a low-skilled alt for pvp with rookies learning the game. If there was an easy way to prove it, I'd do so in a heartbeat. I have no reason to lie about this.

And you call me ganker as if that's a bad thing. Why are you discriminating against gankers? Seriously dude, don't be racist.

I have never had any intention of getting more than one account. Honestly, if it was true that you needed to pay two subs to achieve anything in this game, I would never have subbed to begin with. That would just be a blatant ripoff, and anyone that thinks you need more than one account is only deceiving themselves, and wasting their own money. Sorry, but I'm just not that easy to swindle.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104