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CCP why can't I log an Omega and Alpha account on at the same time

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Remiel Pollard
Shock Treatment Ministries
#41 - 2016-11-21 15:14:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Remiel Pollard
Salvos Rhoska wrote:


But something chafes me about losing access to a free service, simply cos I paid.



You didn't lose access to a free service, you paid for a full one and got that instead. You don't get to have more on top of that without paying. Again, "more than one active toon" is on they paid menu only. And that includes training.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104

Natural CloneKiller
G0P-ST0P
P I R A T
#42 - 2016-11-21 15:15:59 UTC
7Genius wrote:
As a paying customer for this game I think it is pretty disparaging that we can't have one Omega and one Alpha clone (an alt account) logged in simultaneously.

I figure since I am now one of the people supporting this game and have been for 9 years, I was very disappointed to learn that I can not have an alpha clone logged in at the same time as my Omega. Maybe you don't appreciate your paid customers support, maybe this hasn't come up as an issue for you yet but it's not exactly fair for those of us who pay for the game to not have access to at least on Alpha clone.

As far as I see it if I am paying for an Omega account I should still be able to access at least one Alpha, can you please respond to the community of paying players on this.


Utter rubbish. Why should anyone get a free scout toon. Well done ccp for not allowing people to abuse this system. The Alpha clone is there for new players. Not really existing ones who want to fiddle.
Sameli Adelora
Celestial Industrial Supplies
#43 - 2016-11-21 15:51:37 UTC
This thread has inspired me! I'm going to buy 10 more computers (hmmm since I have already bought one maybe they will let me uses the others for free) and play 10 alpha accounts and my paid account at the same time. That way I can gank myself.
SurrenderMonkey
Space Llama Industries
#44 - 2016-11-21 16:05:29 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:


There probably are some heinous ways to exploit this that EVEs famously creatiive and nefarious community will come up with, but at face value I dont see any atm.


"I can't even see a way to exploit this," said the guy desperately arguing to be allowed to exploit it.

"Help, I'm bored with missions!"

http://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/

Salvos Rhoska
#45 - 2016-11-21 17:09:53 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Salvos Rhoska wrote:


But something chafes me about losing access to a free service, simply cos I paid.



You didn't lose access to a free service, you paid for a full one and got that instead. You don't get to have more on top of that without paying. Again, "more than one active toon" is on they paid menu only. And that includes training.


You dont seem to understand the difference between so ething that costs something, and so ething that is free.

When I pay for an account, Im am actively contributing to the provider.
When I pay nothing, I do not. contribute to the provider.

When I pay to upgrade my account to Omega, I do so for the benefits.
I pay for that.

Whereas Alphas pay nothing.

It is irrational that I, as a paying customer, should not have access to the same free service as a nonpaying customer.
I should get the same free elements they get in addition to what I am paying for.
Why? Cos I am paying for the benefits. They arent.
Since their status is free, why shouldnt I as a paying customer get those free elements too?

Ergo, each Omega account should be able to fly an Alpha account simultaneously.
I PAID for my Omega status, and since Alphas are free, why shouldnt I have access to a congruent free Alpha too?
They cost nothing. Why shouldnt an Alpha account option be included in my PAID Omega option?
SurrenderMonkey
Space Llama Industries
#46 - 2016-11-21 17:22:42 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:


It is irrational that I, as a paying customer, should not have access to the same free service as a nonpaying customer.
I should get the same free elements they get in addition to what I am paying for.


Your entire position is contingent on the barefaced lie that you "lose access" to something when you subscribe. You still have access to Alpha accounts within the scope of their limitations.

One of the limitations of an Alpha account is that it cannot be used concurrently with any other account. You need only log out of your Omega and log into your Alpha.

"Help, I'm bored with missions!"

http://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/

Sameli Adelora
Celestial Industrial Supplies
#47 - 2016-11-21 18:10:48 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Salvos Rhoska wrote:


But something chafes me about losing access to a free service, simply cos I paid.



You didn't lose access to a free service, you paid for a full one and got that instead. You don't get to have more on top of that without paying. Again, "more than one active toon" is on they paid menu only. And that includes training.


You dont seem to understand the difference between so ething that costs something, and so ething that is free.

When I pay for an account, Im am actively contributing to the provider.
When I pay nothing, I do not. contribute to the provider.

When I pay to upgrade my account to Omega, I do so for the benefits.
I pay for that.

Whereas Alphas pay nothing.

It is irrational that I, as a paying customer, should not have access to the same free service as a nonpaying customer.
I should get the same free elements they get in addition to what I am paying for.
Why? Cos I am paying for the benefits. They arent.
Since their status is free, why shouldnt I as a paying customer get those free elements too?

Ergo, each Omega account should be able to fly an Alpha account simultaneously.
I PAID for my Omega status, and since Alphas are free, why shouldnt I have access to a congruent free Alpha too?
They cost nothing. Why shouldnt an Alpha account option be included in my PAID Omega option?



You have access just the same as anyone else. I pay for four accounts (yes I'm stupid) and the other day I started an alpha just to see what the new player experience stuff was like. So you can have an alpha. People with only an alpha don't have access to all the stuff people with paid accounts get and they can't have two alphas on at the same time. Paying customers like you and me are not getting ripped off, we have the same access and the same restrictions on alpha accounts.
Salvos Rhoska
#48 - 2016-11-21 18:11:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Salvos Rhoska
Alphas are free.
Omegas are not.

It makes rational sense that a paying Omega should be able to fly an Alpha, as free, just like everyone else, simultaneous with their paid account.

The Omega is paid. In no way is it rational that si ultaneously you should not have access to a free Alpha, like everyone else.
Solonius Rex
F0RCED ENTRY
Negligent. Discharge.
#49 - 2016-11-21 18:12:02 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Salvos Rhoska wrote:


But something chafes me about losing access to a free service, simply cos I paid.



You didn't lose access to a free service, you paid for a full one and got that instead. You don't get to have more on top of that without paying. Again, "more than one active toon" is on they paid menu only. And that includes training.


You dont seem to understand the difference between so ething that costs something, and so ething that is free.

When I pay for an account, Im am actively contributing to the provider.
When I pay nothing, I do not. contribute to the provider.

When I pay to upgrade my account to Omega, I do so for the benefits.
I pay for that.

Whereas Alphas pay nothing.

It is irrational that I, as a paying customer, should not have access to the same free service as a nonpaying customer.
I should get the same free elements they get in addition to what I am paying for.
Why? Cos I am paying for the benefits. They arent.
Since their status is free, why shouldnt I as a paying customer get those free elements too?

Ergo, each Omega account should be able to fly an Alpha account simultaneously.
I PAID for my Omega status, and since Alphas are free, why shouldnt I have access to a congruent free Alpha too?
They cost nothing. Why shouldnt an Alpha account option be included in my PAID Omega option?



I dont understand.

You are free to make a new account and pay nothing.

CCP does not prevent you from doing this.

CCP does not give you a warning message saying "Sorry, we have already detected an omega account belonging to this address, therefore you will not be able to make a new account".

The only restriction here is that you cannot have two active clients, one free and one paid, running at the same time.

You are still free to log on to your Omega account, fiddle around, log out, and then log into your alpha account.

You PAID for your Omega status. You get to fly your Omega account without any restrictions.

You DID NOT PAY for your Alpha account. You have the same restrictions as every other alpha account member.

Were you complaining about trial accounts as well? Did you think you should have had the right to fly a trial account alongside your paid account?
Salvos Rhoska
#50 - 2016-11-21 18:15:58 UTC
I paid for an Omega account.

Why then should I not have the capacity to fly a free Alpha simultaneously with it.
Alphas cost nothing, and have paid nothing. They are free.

If I have paid, why can I not fly both at the sametime.
Free players paid nothing. I paid. Wtf is your argument?
SurrenderMonkey
Space Llama Industries
#51 - 2016-11-21 18:35:40 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
I paid for an Omega account.

Why then should I not have the capacity to fly a free Alpha simultaneously with it.
Alphas cost nothing, and have paid nothing. They are free.

If I have paid, why can I not fly both at the sametime.
Free players paid nothing. I paid. Wtf is your argument?


Paying for one account doesn't magically remove the limitations of another, completely separate account.

It is the ALPHA account that cannot be logged in concurrently. You did not pay for *that* account. You paid for a different account, and your paying for a different account has absolutely no bearing on the limitations applied to a completely separate account. This is all really quite simple.

Alpha accounts also can't train beyond certain skills. Paying for an omega account does not lift this restriction as it applies to a separate Alpha account.

Alpha accounts train at half the speed of an Omega account. Paying for an Omega account does not lift this restriction as it applies to a separate Alpha account.

Alpha accounts have a 24hr queue. Paying for an Omega account does not lift this restriction as it applies to a separate Alpha account.

Alpha accounts cannot be logged in concurrently with any other account. Paying for an Omega account does not lift this restriction as it applies to a separate Alpha account.

"Help, I'm bored with missions!"

http://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/

Salvos Rhoska
#52 - 2016-11-21 18:44:28 UTC
"Paying for one account doesn't magically remove the limitations of another, completely separate account."

They would not be separate, as in my proposal, it is required that they are registered to the same email account.

Meaning specifically only one Alpha, per Omega.
Meaning if the email accounts are changed, this expires, until they are registered again to the same account.
Meaning when the Omega expires, only one or the other of the accounts can be used through the client at any given time.
Jennifer Starblaze
Fury Transport
#53 - 2016-11-21 18:59:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Jennifer Starblaze
Salvos Rhoska wrote:


When I pay for an account, Im am actively contributing to the provider.
When I pay nothing, I do not. contribute to the provider.

When I pay to upgrade my account to Omega, I do so for the benefits.
I pay for that.

Whereas Alphas pay nothing.



Saying that alphas do not contribute to the provider is a very narrow minded stance. Especially in a game like EvE which is all about players. They might not give money to CCP, but that does not mean that they do not contribute to the overall health of the game.

Their presence in our beloved sandbox alone makes the universe richer. More people = more content = more fun = higher motivation for people to actually subscribe.
John WarpingSlow
#54 - 2016-11-21 19:02:35 UTC
7Genius wrote:
As far as I see it if I am paying for an Omega account I should still be able to access at least one Alpha, can you please respond to the community of paying players on this.


The reasons for limiting simultaneous login of Alpha clones, or an Alpha clone and any number of Omega clones were covered in two dev blogs written prior to the change from trial accounts to the new method.

September 2, 2016: Clone States – Post Announcement Follow-up

October 10, 2016: Clone States - Post CSM Summit Roundup
(See section Simultaneous Logon for Alphas: under the first picture.)

Both the player base and the CSM were pretty loud and obvious about there needing to be a restriction for Alpha clone logins.

Salvos Rhoska
#55 - 2016-11-21 19:04:28 UTC
Jennifer Starblaze

You need to read the rest of this thread and the linked thread.

This has already been addressed.

Nor does it refute that an Omega with an associated Alpha would contribute just as much if not more to the health of the game.
Especially since they are PAYING to do so.
Keno Skir
#56 - 2016-11-21 19:10:59 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Jennifer Starblaze

You need to read the rest of this thread and the linked thread.

This has already been addressed.

Nor does it refute that an Omega with an associated Alpha would contribute just as much if not more to the health of the game.
Especially since they are PAYING to do so.


Giving EVERY subbed account a free alt to follow them around would double server load while contributing nothing. Seriously this has gone on long enough, you are either trolling (on 2 threads) or you are literally too stupid to understand and should be issued a special hat to warn others.
Jenn aSide
Shinigami Miners
Already Replaced.
#57 - 2016-11-21 19:12:17 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Salvos Rhoska wrote:


But something chafes me about losing access to a free service, simply cos I paid.



You didn't lose access to a free service, you paid for a full one and got that instead. You don't get to have more on top of that without paying. Again, "more than one active toon" is on they paid menu only. And that includes training.


I agree with what you wrote, just thought i'd highlight the part of your post that modern entitled people find utterly unacceptable. Twisted
Fatima Foont
#58 - 2016-11-21 19:45:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Fatima Foont
Keno Skir wrote:
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Jennifer Starblaze

You need to read the rest of this thread and the linked thread.

This has already been addressed.

Nor does it refute that an Omega with an associated Alpha would contribute just as much if not more to the health of the game.
Especially since they are PAYING to do so.


Giving EVERY subbed account a free alt to follow them around would double server load while contributing nothing. Seriously this has gone on long enough, you are either trolling (on 2 threads) or you are literally too stupid to understand and should be issued a special hat to warn others.



This, The guy with the missing "m" key thinks he is a master debater. Fact is, it has always been thus. No simultaneous playing of sub and trial, which is all Alpha is.

You will live Snowflake.
Rin Vocaloid2
DUST University
#59 - 2016-11-21 23:19:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Rin Vocaloid2
Didn't CCP post like 3 or 4 Dev blogs covering this and have communicated with the Eve Community for extensive feedback to see what can be done with Alpha clones without them breaking the game and such a thing resulted in Alpha clones in the way they are now?
Remiel Pollard
Shock Treatment Ministries
#60 - 2016-11-21 23:28:49 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:

This has already been addressed.


You're right, it has. By CCP, who have stated in no uncertain terms that you cannot log in more than one account without paying for both the first, and the second. I don't think they care what sort of mental gymnastics a minority of entitled brats are performing to convince themselves that they're being ripped off and/or deserve more, either, so please, continue wasting your efforts on the forums and frothing at the mouth about it.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104