Player Features and Ideas Discussion

This would be a good idea but to not take away from those that disagree
there could be a workaround
say non primary faction ships would be usable but not to the the full extent
as the primary faction ship
maybe 1 or 2 skills could be trained so the pilot is less proficient in the
non primary faction ships
in other words let all factions be useable but lower the pilots skill in using said
ships
this would make pirate ships unusable and make everyone happy

I personally like using other factions gear it adds diversity and I think would
keep more players in game.

to those that only like smelling their breath
how about finding solutions instead of trying to limit fun even thought it is
limited if people like what is there they might subscribe or even buy a plex with
in game money

I think this thread illustrates nicely how poor some of our community can be at...well, processing and responding to ideas I suppose.

The OP was a pretty well presented, concise suggestion. In particular, it explicitly pointed out that it was not concerning new players on trial at all. In response we had:
And numerous others that either couldn't be arsed to read the OP, or are just not the sharpest tool in the shed. To put it bluntly: new players don't get ANY benefit from this. It's purely for those who have subscribed at some point.

So I reckon the OP could use an advocate: I agree that it seems like it couldn't hurt CCP's bottom-line.

Really, would you drop your omega(s) - losing all their abilities - to fly Ruptures at low skill-levels forever (and on a side note, no armour rigging is a bummer for alpha Minnie dudes). I'd say there's a good chance it might actually entice a new player to "try a subscription, just for a month maybe", and that if so, CCP gets $15 and possibly more. Possibly lots more (I've subbed for over eleven years, and currently have five omega accounts).

However; the OP's main focus was to convince vets to stay a bit longer. Even if they didn't subscribe their presence is a boon to the game. The statement: Is very foolish. The more players in the game, the more content, no two ways about it. What CCP are trying to do is balance getting players into the game and getting revenue. There is no way on Earth that the OP's suggestions would convince people - who would otherwise have subbed - to think "Actually, now I can fly an Omen as well as my Rupture, I'm going alpha!". That's just silly.

Also, what planet is this statement from:My suggestion was to make pirate ships require a tiny skill increase. One option was capacitor systems operation which all alphas get at III. Level IV, and who doesn't want it at IV, would require 37,255 extra SP: that's a 24 hours train even totally off remap and with no implants. Bloated? Your hyperbole is bloated, mate.

Anyway, the main focus of this post is just to ask you kids to think for a moment - just a moment - before whining about a reasonable suggestion. Let's end with some irony, courtesy of Ms Serendipity:Please, do stop the whining.

Oh, blessed irony. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=6690690#post6690690

Your reply there was not only snarky, but also fundamentally incorrect, with your having completely failed to read and understand the suggestion.

Climb on down from that high horse, you clearly don't belong there.

Holy crap, also the comment: "The database code says no" was based on a catchphrase from a UK sketch show that Wikipedia informs me was from 2006 ('Little Britain'). Time dilation at 10%!

Oh come off it Gadget, even a rank 1 skill to V like navigation would hardly be an obstacle. Most of us didn't sit in a pirate ship for ages, we would have had nav, eng, cpu (electronics) at V already for sure.

You can't say with a straight face that those would be bloated SP profiles.

That's Trump or Sanders? Trump I assume. Quite a few Americans seem to drop H's at the front of words. I always remember Carl Sagan on Cosmos saying 'yuman ingenuity', or 'over the course of yumen evolution'. That's New York right?

Also, 'erb', for herb. That seems really common.

Actually I think this isn't true at all. Free players are definitely in the game: they are great cannon fodders as tacklers or suicide gankers. Free players can do just as much damage, you just need more of them, which - for most people - never was an issue.
And I know alpha clients shouldn't be able to run simultaneously but there can be a work around for that too.

Alpha clone limitations are fine as it is, but being locked out of the faction/race you always flew with does suck a lot. They should have given the option to choose the faction your alpha clone will be flying with. They even could give that option every time your omega clone is about to expire.

The point is keeping more active players in the EvE universe, it does not help that alpha's needs to fly in ships they normally avoing flying in.

I normally sub for 3 or 4 months a year, the current alpha clone that locked me to Amarr ships does not incite me to login and play as an alpha... that is thus less potential content in the game.

The problem with using the Alpha state to entice former players to rejoin the game is that it is rather dependent on why the player left in the first place... or better question yet, why hasn't the player returned before this date?

Honestly, if the free login and forums use brings a few old vets back to the fold, great. The Alpha state has the same carrot for the vet as the new player: sub (or PLEX) to get access to these skills -- except the vet has already tasted that oh-so-sweet carrot.

If the vet still has ties in game, and wants to participate with them, then that pilot has three choices. 1) Sub - as was always intended - and join in ALL the reindeer games. 2) Make a new toon and try something new. Who knows, maybe it'll be a new scout someday if you sub it, but now you're getting the basic skills trained for free. 3). Keep using the old toon, but with the alpha limitations. You may not be able to fly that Worm, but you also don't have to waste time training up your drone skills to Alpha... you're already well past them.

If the vet can't find the gumption (or cash) to sub, then hang about on Alpha and shoot the breeze with your mates*. If the pilot absolutely needs to Gila everything, then sub. If the pilot has some aversion to subbing and the status quo is much too limited, then at least the forums is free to use. Try not to whine too loud when visiting.

As an aside, I made an Alpha account last night just to try out the NPE story. Now, I have the poor bastard training over 9 days for drones V 'cause Tristan and Algos, yo! That 1/2 training speed is not cool when you're used to Omega speeds, but since there are very few V skills to be trained, it really won't take long to fill this guy out.

I'm already itching to see what can be done with Alphas, especially in numbers. Luckily, Gadget can make T1's all day.


--Omega Gadget talkin' Alpha


*Did I use it right? :)

On this point, I'm just going to have to disagree.... for the most part.
At best, if was even in their thinking, it was probably of tertiary importance.

If their primary (or even secondary) objective was just to have bodies - as opposed to paying customers - in the game, then they wouldn't have the limitations they have in place now.

No, the targets are drawing in new players and bringing back vets - AS PAYING CUSTOMERS. Hence the carrot of these skills for the low-low price of a sub/PLEX.

Thousands of players without subs means increased costs for CCP without increased revenue.


Having said that, it's nice to see more bodies in EvE. Makes the place looked lived in :)

--Gadget