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Undocked in non-tech1 ship with Alpha clone?
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Shadow Vincentius
State War Academy
Caldari State
#1 - 2016-11-18 19:38:00 UTC
I've come back to my account after a while off, and my clone state is currently Alpha, but my un-logged in to account is showing as currently in-space in a non-tech1 frigate / destroyer / cruiser.

What will happen if I log in? Will I get kicked from my ship in space, or can I stay in it until I dock in a station?
Iria Ahrens
Space Perverts and Forum Pirates
#2 - 2016-11-18 20:18:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Iria Ahrens
hrm, good question.

Asking around, I'm hearing two stories.

1. You are automatically moved to a station. Apparently this happened to someone in a WH.

2. You can fly the ship around but none of the modules you don't have the skills for will work.

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Neuntausend
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2016-11-18 21:04:03 UTC
I saw a blue reply stating that you will be able to move your ship and warp, but nothing beyond that. So, you should be able to dock up and switch ships.
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#4 - 2016-11-18 23:23:38 UTC
You can fly the ship till you're docked ,
you're not going to be able to use anything on the ship requiring non alpha skills as they will offline.

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Avelis26
Iron Whales
Goonswarm Federation
#5 - 2017-02-09 19:27:15 UTC
And if you're in a carrier in a VERY dangerous part of null-sec and getting to a station is not a option ?
Trevor Dalech
Nobody in Local
Deepwater Hooligans
#6 - 2017-02-09 21:09:45 UTC
Avelis26 wrote:
And if you're in a carrier in a VERY dangerous part of null-sec and getting to a station is not a option ?


Then you'll probably have to jump 40 jumps through null in a carrier with which you cannot use any of the mods/fighters... good luck!

In this situation, you're probably best off not going alpha at all, or if you do, don't ever log in the toon in the carrier until you're omega again.

if on the other hand you don't plan on going omega ever again, you might as well go out in a ball of fire.
mkint
#7 - 2017-02-09 21:43:02 UTC
Avelis26 wrote:
And if you're in a carrier in a VERY dangerous part of null-sec and getting to a station is not a option ?

You *might* be able to convince a GM to move you. Officially, the answer should probably be "no." However, it seems to be up to a GMs discretion if they will bend the rules when it won't break the sandbox, and retain a player.

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Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#8 - 2017-02-09 23:20:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Tau Cabalander
Shadow Vincentius wrote:
I've come back to my account after a while off, and my clone state is currently Alpha, but my un-logged in to account is showing as currently in-space in a non-tech1 frigate / destroyer / cruiser.

What will happen if I log in? Will I get kicked from my ship in space, or can I stay in it until I dock in a station?

My mild O.C.D. is triggered by the above replies.

Here' s the actual answer:

Support Article wrote:
Fitting & Ships

  • Modules with Omega clone requirements go offline after lapsing and it is not possible to online them as an Alpha clone.
  • Lapsed Omega clones can still fly their boarded ship and dock. But no skill bonuses will apply to it.
  • Once lapsed Omega clones log in as Alpha clones they won’t be able to board ships they do not meet the skill requirements for.

https://support.eveonline.com/hc/en-us/articles/213811425-Alpha-Clones-and-Omega-Clone-lapsing-Quick-Facts
Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#9 - 2017-02-10 02:08:02 UTC
Nice link Tau, has a lot of the info in a pretty dense format. For further questions this dev blog probably helps: https://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/introducing-clone-states-and-the-future-of-access-to-eve-online/

I've heard of GMs giving players who have been away for a long time teleports to safe(er?) space, but that is all hearsay.

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Elena Thiesant
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2017-02-10 08:25:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Elena Thiesant
Chainsaw Plankton wrote:
I've heard of GMs giving players who have been away for a long time teleports to safe(er?) space, but that is all hearsay.


https://support.eveonline.com/hc/en-us/articles/203207992-Inaccessible-Assets-and-Returning-players

Quote:
Players who return to the game after an extended absence of several months may find themselves trapped in a location which restricts their ability to relocate them-self and their current ship. In such situations players may have their character and current ship moved by Customer Support. Such a move is entirely at the discretion of Customer Support and not all movement requests will be granted.
Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#11 - 2017-02-10 12:57:44 UTC
nice, looks like the helpdesk has a lot of good info on it, going to have to check it out

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Donnachadh
United Allegiance of Undesirables
#12 - 2017-02-10 14:10:20 UTC
mkint wrote:
Avelis26 wrote:
And if you're in a carrier in a VERY dangerous part of null-sec and getting to a station is not a option ?

You *might* be able to convince a GM to move you. Officially, the answer should probably be "no." However, it seems to be up to a GMs discretion if they will bend the rules when it won't break the sandbox, and retain a player.

Why should the answer be no?
And which "rules" would the GM being bending, or breaking if they did move the ship for the OP?
Akane Togenada
Doomheim
#13 - 2017-02-11 17:34:06 UTC
Donnachadh wrote:
mkint wrote:
Avelis26 wrote:
And if you're in a carrier in a VERY dangerous part of null-sec and getting to a station is not a option ?

You *might* be able to convince a GM to move you. Officially, the answer should probably be "no." However, it seems to be up to a GMs discretion if they will bend the rules when it won't break the sandbox, and retain a player.

Why should the answer be no?
And which "rules" would the GM being bending, or breaking if they did move the ship for the OP?


The "rules" would be that it breaks immersion and allows an action that would otherwise not be possible. If the player returning is part of a major null sec entity it could also affect current war(s) and the GM might decide that it's up to the Corp/Alliance to save their corpmate.
Donnachadh
United Allegiance of Undesirables
#14 - 2017-02-12 13:44:07 UTC
Akane Togenada wrote:
The "rules" would be that it breaks immersion and allows an action that would otherwise not be possible. If the player returning is part of a major null sec entity it could also affect current war(s) and the GM might decide that it's up to the Corp/Alliance to save their corpmate.

There are no "rules" on immersion in this game, never have been and likely never will be so that aspect of your argument is moot.

There is no illegal actions going on here. The op simply wants to get a character and the ship they are in out of space. You can argue rules and immersion all you want but when the OP logged that character off for that last time it was and in fact it still is legal to leave a character in a ship in space when you log off. It is not the OP's fault that CCP changed the game while they were on an extended period away from the game.

I do not buy into the disrupting the balance of power argument.
First one single ship is not going to make any noticeable difference in the balance of power unless the GM drops it directly into a fight. CCP has made some bonehead decisions in the past but I simply do not see them EVER dropping a ship they are moving for a player anywhere but in a station, POS shield or tethered to or docked in a citadel.

However going with your concerns for the delicate balance of power, what is the difference between a new ship being produced and launched into the game in the same system, versus the GM simply moving the ship to that system from somewhere else?
In both cases a new ship is in the system and available to someone to use, so if moving a single ship breaks the balance of power then we need to eliminate the ability to produce ships because every time a player produces a ship it changes the balance of power.
Kathern Aurilen
#15 - 2017-02-15 03:56:14 UTC
When I logged in as a Alpha after 3 years out of eve. I was in space in Mack. None of the strip miners(which out not in the Alpha's capabilities)were grayed out and couldn't be used. Computer died while out mining.

I didn't know where I was or what system I was and how far I had to go. So I parked in the closest station till I could figure out what to do.

When I figured out where I was, was 5 jumps out of my home system and now I couldn't get my mack out of the station

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