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Skill Loss.

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Chi-Hua Tan
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#21 - 2016-11-17 18:16:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Chi-Hua Tan
Avatars wrote:
Haven't played for the last 3 months and I logged in the day after the patch to see whats new.
Seems 90 days of skills are gone even though my aura app on my phone said my battleship 5 was done and a bunch of other
capital skills. Really hoping they fix this or I just don't see myself playing eve. Fingers crossed.

There definitely seems to be a correlation between time of last log in and the amount of points lost. I had not logged onto this character for two months due to medical reasons.
CCP Contra
C C P
C C P Alliance
#22 - 2016-11-17 18:24:24 UTC
Hey All. This was in fact an issue when logging in, the queue sometimes was not processed correctly. So one skilled trained and used up all the SP meant for the whole Queue. We have since patched this issue. The condition as to why this happened to just some people has been hard to figure out.

At the moment we are working on a script that will compensate all users for their SP loss on their queue. I will keep people posted on the progress.
Chi-Hua Tan
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#23 - 2016-11-17 18:34:36 UTC
Thanks for the information. Knowing its a recognized issue that is being worked on is reassuring.
Avatars
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#24 - 2016-11-17 19:47:13 UTC
Yes thank you. Looking forward to the fix.
IBIS BANDIT MASTER
IBIS BANDIT MASTERS
#25 - 2016-11-18 00:10:54 UTC
couple my bois got this problem, i hope its fixed soon.
John WarpingSlow
#26 - 2016-11-18 01:51:19 UTC  |  Edited by: John WarpingSlow
CCP Contra wrote:
Hey All. This was in fact an issue when logging in, the queue sometimes was not processed correctly. So one skilled trained and used up all the SP meant for the whole Queue. We have since patched this issue. The condition as to why this happened to just some people has been hard to figure out.

At the moment we are working on a script that will compensate all users for their SP loss on their queue. I will keep people posted on the progress.


Thank you very much for acknowledging the problem in public, and keeping us updated.

One of my characters had Torpedo Specialization level 5 training (an 8x skill) but it's showing through the API as having 2,449,505 SP (the max SHOULD be 2,048,000 so it has an extra 401,505 SP applied to it.) Ugh

I suppose that's part of this problem?

Well, here's hoping those of us affected get unallocated skillpoints for the affected values so we can re-apply those to the skills we wanted to train. And hey, if CCP is feeling generous, maybe even a few SP more to say "Sorry for the trouble." Smile

Thanks again!

Edit/Update: Logged into that character. Couldn't see Torpedo Specialization in the skills window under Missiles at all unless I specifically put the name into the search bar, then it appeared, and hovering over it, I see it as having 2,449,505 out of 2,048,000 SP, just as the API showed it.
CCP Contra
C C P
C C P Alliance
#27 - 2016-11-18 10:24:21 UTC
John WarpingSlow wrote:
CCP Contra wrote:
Hey All. This was in fact an issue when logging in, the queue sometimes was not processed correctly. So one skilled trained and used up all the SP meant for the whole Queue. We have since patched this issue. The condition as to why this happened to just some people has been hard to figure out.

At the moment we are working on a script that will compensate all users for their SP loss on their queue. I will keep people posted on the progress.


Thank you very much for acknowledging the problem in public, and keeping us updated.

One of my characters had Torpedo Specialization level 5 training (an 8x skill) but it's showing through the API as having 2,449,505 SP (the max SHOULD be 2,048,000 so it has an extra 401,505 SP applied to it.) Ugh

I suppose that's part of this problem?

Well, here's hoping those of us affected get unallocated skillpoints for the affected values so we can re-apply those to the skills we wanted to train. And hey, if CCP is feeling generous, maybe even a few SP more to say "Sorry for the trouble." Smile

Thanks again!

Edit/Update: Logged into that character. Couldn't see Torpedo Specialization in the skills window under Missiles at all unless I specifically put the name into the search bar, then it appeared, and hovering over it, I see it as having 2,449,505 out of 2,048,000 SP, just as the API showed it.


Indeed this is part of the problem. Again we apologize for this issue and the inconveniences that it caused. We are working on the remuneration of the SP as we speak. There are some edge cases that we need to account for before we finish the script.
Ashi Gurum
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#28 - 2016-11-18 11:05:42 UTC
I posted this in another thread but I'll repost it here to add to the info.

My skill queue had Transport Ships 4 followed by Gallente Battleship 4 and 5, and when I logged in I expected TS 4 and GalBS 4 to be completed and be partway into GalBS 5, but instead I ended up with only TS 4 completed and GalBS 4 as the active training skill with 0% completed. Transport Ships should have had no more than 271,530 SP in it (rank 6 level 4 completed) but it had 634,350 SP despite never having TS 5 in the skill queue. That extra 362,820 SP should have gone to Gallente Battleship. Since I am currently training those skills at 2520 SP/hr, that is 144 hours / 6 days of SP that went to the wrong skill.
pow demonic
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#29 - 2016-11-18 11:09:49 UTC
yeah I had mining barge 5 and now it is lvl 4 and because of that I have lost time on training astrogeology to 5 I am not sure what the devs mean by a "remuneration of the SP" as I have no idea what that word means but I hope this gets fixed soon
John WarpingSlow
#30 - 2016-11-18 11:54:54 UTC
CCP Contra wrote:

Indeed this is part of the problem. Again we apologize for this issue and the inconveniences that it caused. We are working on the remuneration of the SP as we speak. There are some edge cases that we need to account for before we finish the script.


Mistakes happen, what's important is that you're working on making it right and you're being open and communicative about it. Honestly, we couldn't ask for a better response. Big smile

Thanks!

John WarpingSlow
#31 - 2016-11-18 11:56:20 UTC
pow demonic wrote:
I am not sure what the devs mean by a "remuneration of the SP"


Remuneration = Give back to you (probably as unallocated skillpoints that you can then re-allocate to whatever skill you want.)

CCP Contra
C C P
C C P Alliance
#32 - 2016-11-18 14:50:35 UTC
John WarpingSlow wrote:
pow demonic wrote:
I am not sure what the devs mean by a "remuneration of the SP"


Remuneration = Give back to you (probably as unallocated skillpoints that you can then re-allocate to whatever skill you want.)



Most definitely. We will give the loss SP as unallocated.
Psymon Sezz
The Dark Side of Eve
#33 - 2016-11-18 19:53:47 UTC
CCP Contra wrote:
John WarpingSlow wrote:
pow demonic wrote:
I am not sure what the devs mean by a "remuneration of the SP"


Remuneration = Give back to you (probably as unallocated skillpoints that you can then re-allocate to whatever skill you want.)



Most definitely. We will give the loss SP as unallocated.


What about in cases such as mine?

I was training to Fighter hanger management level 4 with a bunch of short 8 hour type skills after.
During all of this Hanger management has trained 2% into level 5.

I am not 100% sure but I do not believe I have "lost" any skill points they are just allocated incorrectly.
Chi-Hua Tan
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#34 - 2016-11-18 20:04:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Chi-Hua Tan
pow demonic wrote:
yeah I had mining barge 5 and now it is lvl 4 and because of that I have lost time on training astrogeology to 5 I am not sure what the devs mean by a "remuneration of the SP" as I have no idea what that word means but I hope this gets fixed soon

Well in my case I expect it means that all of the skills I had formerly trained that got readded to the queue and are currently training will be awarded as surplus SP to be otherwise allocated, because I'm not messing with a thing related to the skill queue unill this is resolved.

e. or as was stated already by CCP
Tanner Marqual
Non Igitur Obicere
#35 - 2016-11-18 23:12:39 UTC
I am curious whether the devs are including the resolution for the disappearing boosters in this fix or if that is separate. Also - will the fix for the misallocated skill points resolve the issue of completed skills not showing up in training history?

Bah, I don't sign anything...

HandelsPharmi
Pharmi on CharBazaar
#36 - 2016-11-18 23:20:11 UTC
Maybe CCP is fixing this.

But the play time is lost... the subscription should be reimbursed...
powdemonic Ellecon
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#37 - 2016-11-19 08:45:04 UTC
CCP Contra wrote:
John WarpingSlow wrote:
pow demonic wrote:
I am not sure what the devs mean by a "remuneration of the SP"


Remuneration = Give back to you (probably as unallocated skillpoints that you can then re-allocate to whatever skill you want.)



Most definitely. We will give the loss SP as unallocated.

oh cool
Philippa Padecain
Feral Solutions Inc
#38 - 2016-11-19 11:10:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Philippa Padecain
CCP Contra wrote:

At the moment we are working on a script that will compensate all users for their SP loss on their queue. I will keep people posted on the progress.


It is probably too much to ask, but is there an ETA for when a fix will be available? I have four accounts and all suffer from this. I don't feel confident to play with the skill training without a fix.

Edit:

I went through EveMon and found things like this.

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But this also shows another problem - I had never intended to train Minmatar Drone Specialisation to 5. As you can see from the other specialisations, I stopped at 4. When Eve dumped SPs into this skill, it brought it over 5.

So, I've not only lost 1 182 786 SP to this skill. I've lost an additional 1 053 725, for a total of 2 236 511 sp. I never intended to spend that on this specialisation skill.

Would it be possible to reset this sort of situation?
Richard Airuta
Perkone
Caldari State
#39 - 2016-11-19 11:36:44 UTC
Philippa Padecain wrote:
CCP Contra wrote:

At the moment we are working on a script that will compensate all users for their SP loss on their queue. I will keep people posted on the progress.


It is probably too much to ask, but is there an ETA for when a fix will be available? I have four accounts and all suffer from this. I don't feel confident to play with the skill training without a fix.



Same here. I've been doing some low level mission running. I didn't play for a month while AFK and made a training queue 60+ days. When I logged in not one of those appeared to of trained, but API says a couple of my skills have surpassed the training cap. One of things we are going to have to sit back and await a response.

The ticket I made got me a generic non-transparent the OP mentioned previously as well. This thread seem to be a better way of tracking the progress.

I do have a question tho.

When I logged in my training queue had started again. When the first patch/fix was made would this of stopped our skills from training and therefore the 2 days or so after the patch I didn't know about it. Have I lost that potential SP? Would that be something that would be considered to be reimbursed?
SiXiN
Doomheim
#40 - 2016-11-19 20:27:55 UTC
I was in the process of purchasing a Character via the bazaar rules from a mate.

We brought the account online with a Plex, so 30days sub. For that 30 days, we cued up approx 30days worth of training. This included the following:

Command Center upgrades 4
Interplanetary Consolidation 4
Remote sensing 3
Planetary 3
Gallente Industrial 5

Now over the last 28 days or so it trained through all of that, and by the day of the Expansion release it had approx 18 hours of Gallente Industrial 5 left and approx 3 days of sub left.

We were going to transfer the character after the expansion was released.

The expansion is released we login, and find that the character has lost ALL of the training it did for the previous 28 days, and is in the process of retraining the skill cue again.

After spending about 20mins going through trying to understand where the skillpoints had gone, and please be ware according tot he API it hasn't lost any SP, its just not on the skills we had cued up, we found that the character had skilled Command center upgrades 5 completely and we suspect some SP has gone onto other skills as well.

Because of this issue, we held off on the transfer of the character and petitioned CCP due to the issue. The account has NOW dropped to Alpha clone status, and stopped skilling all together because the skills in the cue are Omega skills.

So not only have we lost the skills we cued, we have wasted 30days worth of sub and now have to plex the account again to be able to carry out the character transfer as previously planned, mainly because CCP has yet to respond to the support ticket.