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EVE Online: Ascension - General feedback (PC)

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Eruhin Eldamar
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#781 - 2016-12-02 19:42:45 UTC
And now for my rant on the skill queue.

This is the single biggest issue I have with the changes and where I believe the developers really missed. (BTW, if I actually used sound when playing, I would probably agree with those complaining about the changes to Aura's voice as being the biggest issue).

Issues with EVE Online new skill interface
I know many of you have worked very hard on the interface re-designs. Unfortunately, with the skill queue especially, I firmly believe you missed it, re-organizing and adding some functionality while omitting other functionality and introducing features that cause eye strain.

My issues with the new skill interface are below.

1. In the top area, I am unable to sort skill areas alphabetically (or at least it does not appear to be available).
a. This SIGNIFICANTLY increases time required to locate a skill area!
b. I am personally not nearly as interested in how many skill points I have put into a specific area as I am interested in finding information FAST. This new setup prevents that since they are not sorted alphabetically anymore.
c. Information is configured in a matrix format, where you have to look top to bottom and left to right. This significantly increases time to locate information. The old list format was fast and EASY.
2. Three boxes/viewing areas stacked on top of each other instead of the old two boxes side by side
a. The top two boxes used to be the left box, could/should be re-combined since they are complimentary and were easy to read and understand when you had the expanding menus.
b. I am unable to maneuver quickly through the middle or lower box; this hides LARGE numbers of skills, especially if you have a long queue!
i. VERY hard to read and see what is there or what you have in the queue.
c. The old side by side setup was very intuitive and EASY to scan through skills. This new interface is terrible when compared with the old one!
d. If you want to see more of any box, you have to resize the box, which limits other boxes. This constant re-sizing adds amazing amounts of time. TERRBILE setup!
e. If you want to drag a skill from the center box into somewhere in the bottom box that is not visible, it takes a REALLY long time to either scroll to that spot before dragging the skill, or drag the skill over and wait for the bottom box to slowly scroll.
i. The old side-by-side setup made this fast and easy/intuitive.
f. Bottom line, the three box/viewing area adds significant time to managing skills!
3. The new setup wastes a huge amount of space in the bottom box.
a. Spacing between skills is close to twice as large as it needs to be.
b. Spacing left to right is a huge waste of space. The old queue made the space available vertically, was easier and faster to read and use.
4. The new animations showing what skill is being trained are distracting.
a. Draws the eyes immediately to them and makes the top skill harder to read.
b. The blinking button at the bottom right is also extremely distracting.
i. Why do we need a large blinking button showing how much time left in queue when the old small buttons worked just fine?
ii. The old format had a small number showing skill queue duration, which again, worked very well.
c. The old method of blinking the currently training box on the skill was plenty, and told what was going on very clearly.
5. The colors and shadings make the information VERY hard to read and find.
a. This also introduces eye strain; yes I experienced several times, and the eye strain immediately went away when I closed the skill queue.
b. The old queue was easy to read due to the consistent font sizings, simple colors, and no shadings.
6. The pop-ups are garbage (yes, garbage).
a. They get in the way constantly and are very hard to use.
i. This is especially true for the center box where you select individual skills. If you move the mouse over a skill on the left side then want to move to the right side, you must wait for the popup to disappear.
b. Get rid of them or find a different way to display the information so it is a) not in the way and b) does not disappear if you want to use it but happen to move the mouse to the wrong place.
7. The new information available directly from the skill queue is kinda cool, but it could have been incorporated into the old setup without absolutely mangling the interface.
8. The icons showing which skill group a skill in training is associated with appears to me to be a waste of space.
a. This is even worse because some of the icons are similar (gunnery, missiles especially), which increases eye strain to make them out.
9. The arrow by the search box which switches between text and icons for skill groups would be handy if I cared to actually memorize all the icons. Text is much more useful for me.
a. This feature could be retained if you also had as a selection option to sort skill areas alphabetically (see above).
10. On the skill information displayed on ships/modules, etc, under the “Requirements” and “Mastery” tabs, the new formatting is hard to read.
a. The new blue period is hard to locate and does not provide as much information as the old interface.
b. The old red x’s and yellow circles were very easy to read and intuitive.


In summary, go back to the old skill queue, and add information to it. If it is not possible to add additional information to the old queue, then the old queue, unmodified, is just fine, and radically better than what you have provided us!

Thus ends my rant, except to say if I continue experiencing eye strain due to this new feature, I may have to seriously consider leaving the game. The old skill queue format did not cause this, even with all the time I spent on it.

End of rant.


Ocean Ormand
Bagel and Lox
#782 - 2016-12-02 20:43:19 UTC
Just want to add that the new map is still crap. My God - all I want to see is a clean easy to read map of the system i'm in - with all the needless crap you, e.g. lines going here and there, little star dots every where, the thing is nigh unreadable. If Capt Kirk had to use this to navigate - he would have probably plowed the enterprise into a planet. Pretty shouldnt trump functionality. For a map to be useful it needs to be simple and readable. The new map is neither of these things.
Corporeal Universalis
Legit For Sure LLC
#783 - 2016-12-03 04:06:12 UTC
Corporeal Universalis wrote:

Plot twist: What if CCP is actually drowning and all this NPE and Alphas was one last try to get back to surface? If true, then they probably couldn't afford to pay 4 actors, or even the old actress for that matter.


After all these weeks, I find myself strongly believing that CCP can no longer afford to pay for the copyrights of the original aura recordings. Of course, if a director had not had the copyright of his movie, he 'd be a fail director.
They either had some really bad deal with the original actress and the contract doesn't cover them, or they had just the trial version of the voice and it expired. So we get the fallback, some random chick and some random filters. Thankfully we didn't get Microsoft Sam. Oh wait.. that one is copyrighted...

This means the following:
1. Aura will not be coming back, they cannot afford it anymore.
2. The ship is sinking.
3. CCP will not give any feedback; they cannot admit their state, that would be nails in their coffin.
On the contrary, they will continue acting as if nobody ever complained, ignoring the issue.

My account might get banned for this post.
This post may be deleted for exposing them.
This post will not be deleted as this would prove it exposes them.
This post might be edited, go on I have screencaps.
This post will remain here to be seen by everyone, while no action will be taken, thereby silently confirming #3 and #2Smile

G'day mates
Phuzzy
Astrocomical
Gamer Quartermaster Auxiliary Corps
#784 - 2016-12-03 07:18:43 UTC
Balabhadra Das wrote:
Old Aura fans, please keep this thread:

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=500415&p=2

And this petition:

http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/make-auras-voice-greater-again

Alive.

FYI, the petition does NOT require a donation, just skip when asked.



This was a good idea, I hope more people sign the petition.
Eski Minzin
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#785 - 2016-12-04 16:22:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Eski Minzin
Corporeal Universalis wrote:


After all these weeks, I find myself strongly believing that CCP can no longer afford to pay for the copyrights of the original aura recordings.
They either had some really bad deal with the original actress and the contract doesn't cover them, or they had just the trial version of the voice and it expired. So we get the fallback, some random chick and some random filters.

This means the following:
1. Aura will not be coming back, they cannot afford it anymore.

If that would indeed be the case, then I wish that they would just admit it to us.

That way we would at least be able to understand their situation, and it would make it easier for most of us to accept it. After all, this is a game that we have all come to love dearly, and I'm sure most of us don't want to see the CCP ship go under, at all.

So if that would truly be the reason behind these recent changes, and they would come clean about it to their playerbase, I think that that would result in nothing less than a supportive reaction from us (financial and otherwise) .

Whereas right now, it comes across as if nothing is the matter (which could, for all we know, just as well be the case), and that these were conscious decisions made by the CCP team because they thought that they would be genuine improvements. Which most of us happened to disagree with, resulting in an anti-supportive, or rather, rebellious, reaction from us.

So, as I've said multiple times before, I think CCP needs to rethink their policy of communication towards their playerbase. Because keeping silent obviously isn't doing them any favors. For as long as we don't have any definitive answers, we will fill in the blanks ourselves.

In my opinion, and I think this is axiomatic, if you want people to invest in your product, you have to provide them with transparacy.
Eternus8lux8lucis
Duckzer Mining Corporation
RAZOR Alliance
#786 - 2016-12-05 02:18:48 UTC
Something brought up in another thread. Farming Mini Skill Injectors.

If my math is correct. Farming enough alts and being able to do the tutorial in 15mins flat would meant you would be able to farm 320K SP per hour. If mini skill injectors can be injected while the characters SP total is under 1.5mil but isnt capped or the injected skill points arent added to the 1.5mil total this means that to make a 5mil SP farmable toon would take roughly 16 hours. (63.75 mini skill injectors used)

One account has three character slots. Creating three characters, logging in with each and doing the tutorial would net you the equivalent isk of running 2 null sec anoms at once per tick. Current mini injector prices are 50mil on contract. So it would net roughly 150mil/hr each hour per account. Then biomass takes 10 hours and you are ready to create and rinse and repeat.

You would need roughly 11 accounts. One to start and each hour do another one. By the time you are complete all 11 the first is ready again.



Either way.... NO!Evil

Have you heard anything I've said?

You said it's all circling the drain, the whole universe. Right?

That's right.

Had to end sometime.

Andy Baer
Another Co.
#787 - 2016-12-08 13:07:36 UTC
I still have not gotten used to the Aura voice...

If and only if we cannot have the old one back, could we re-record "kennekting", "dockingpermissinrequested" and "dockingpermissinaccepted" and "wup draiv äctiw"?

Character sheet... still big pain ... If we cannot get the old one back, would it possible to reduce the amount of free space between lines in the skill queue?
Ravas Geloris
Doomheim
#788 - 2016-12-08 17:02:15 UTC
There are no issues...if you have some then it's only you....

And the old voice was creepy.please don't bring this crap back..
Corporeal Universalis
Legit For Sure LLC
#789 - 2016-12-08 18:04:37 UTC
Ravas Geloris wrote:
it's only you....


see #768
Ravas Geloris
Doomheim
#790 - 2016-12-08 19:25:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Ravas Geloris
Corporeal Universalis wrote:
Ravas Geloris wrote:
it's only you....


see #768



200 compared to 20k online ist still "a few".....

But let me guess.... the other 19800 are just the "silent majority" that are surely and without any doubt your opinion and not against it but too lazy or too stupid to follow you.....

You just have to "adjust" reality so that it fits your way......

And the old Aura was awful.....

BTW......

Don't some people have REAL problems to complain about.....

This is simply stupid.....
Don Pera Saissore
#791 - 2016-12-08 20:58:43 UTC
20000 online doesnt mean 20000 players.

if those 200 are real ppl, and not 5 dudes with alts, then that would be a big chunk of player base
Sgt Ocker
What Corp is it
#792 - 2016-12-09 06:41:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Sgt Ocker
Ravas Geloris wrote:
Corporeal Universalis wrote:
Ravas Geloris wrote:
it's only you....


see #768



200 compared to 20k online ist still "a few".....

But let me guess.... the other 19800 are just the "silent majority" that are surely and without any doubt your opinion and not against it but too lazy or too stupid to follow you.....

You just have to "adjust" reality so that it fits your way......



BTW......

Don't some people have REAL problems to complain about.....

This is simply stupid.....

Actually your right, the silent majority don't use the forums. Instead they whine in comms, local chat and anywhere else they can (R/Eve is a good place) in the full knowledge Devs care little when their changes are met with dissatisfaction by players. (if you'd been playing eve for more than 10 minutes you'd know that)


"And the old Aura was awful....." - Compared to what? Surely you can't even consider the new Aura "voices" to be better than the old.
Old Aura was calming, clear, concise and easy on the ear - All the things the new Aura voices aren't.

The only people I know who speak as fast as one of the new Aura voices are meth heads. "dockingpermission requested" is just one example of really poor diction - it is 3 words, not 2 and a half run together in a speed test. "ducking request aggcepted" just never should have made it past QC.
I would be embarrassed to say it was my work.

No offense meant, just a suggestion - The people who did the new Aura voice should really consider a new profession, sorry but your voices just aren't nice to listen to.
Especially for hours at a time. I used to look forward to logging in for 4 or 5 hours a day and doing my thing - Now, after 20 or 30 minutes I'm rushing to get my thing done so I can log off and give my ears a rest (yesterday and today, 15 minutes was it, I just couldn't listen to the whiny screeches anymore)..
Alpha state is looking more inviting, paying subs to be exposed to shite is just not worth it. I'll do it for free till the limitations of alpha bore me, by then I'll have found somewhere else to spend my money.

Sadly, Eve without Aura (the original) just isn't Eve..

My opinions are mine.

  If you don't like them or disagree with me that's OK.- - - - - - Just don't bother Hating - I don't care

It really is getting harder and harder to justify $23 a month for each sub.

Annexe
I N E X T R E M I S
Tactical Narcotics Team
#793 - 2016-12-09 09:58:53 UTC
Aura now also includes bad grammer..

"The Star-gate denies you permission to jump *long pause* AT the moment"... should be "FOR the moment".

Annexe

ITAI - VIP

"i will pop your wreck with faction loot"

Feodor Mihailovici
Mare Anguis
#794 - 2016-12-09 11:20:36 UTC
Zid Freeman wrote:
Corporeal Universalis wrote:
In reply to those that may say that "the ones asking for the Classic Aura voice back are just 30-40 individuals",
what follows is a list of the 206 so far unique people having stated in this thread that:
they dislike or hate the new aura voice / they ask for an option to use classic aura / they have muted the aura voice since ascension / have cancelled their subscription due to the lack of classic aura / or any combination of the above.

Please keep in perspective that this feedback thread has 768 posts as of this moment, posted by non unique accounts.
This brings the number of complaints regarding this specific issue, to more than 1/3 of the expansion feedback.

This post is meant to be an informative post, depicting the situation.

The list of people complaining so far:

  1. Sophia Mileghere
  2. Davionia Vanshel
  3. Keiko Ogawa
  4. Mephiztopheleze
  5. RankOutsider
  6. Dominic Jacara
  7. Klaw Athonille
  8. Undefined Destiny
  9. Dragon Mnementh
10. Tyrindel Vaedrelin
11. Greta Wolfcastle
12. Annexe
13. Ksand Defton
14. Simi van Dacus
15. Tolui Azaph
16. Oraac Ensor
17. Raw Matters
18. Do Nut
19. Andronicus Maximo
20. Sgt Ocker
21. Jesse Edwin Davis
22. ashahara
23. Stryider Tivianne
24. Gramps Pljugi
25. Diaz Kerensky
26. Adrager Amatin
27. Pubicbeard Jovakko
28. Testy McTestyFace2
29. Lmagno
30. Brynjard
31. Susitna
32. Quetz Alkoatl
33. Lothar Mandrake
34. Jarvis Nurella
35. Feodor Mihailovici
36. Sexy-Milf
37. Shayla Etherodyne
38. Julia Reave
39. DanTheManOnline
40. Drabbin Mishi
41. Mushwroom
42. Astrador
43. SportBilly
44. Malachir
45. d'hofren
46. Jeven HouseBenyo
47. Robot Robot
48. Rhah Nabunaid
49. Lucian Thetis
50. Maxim Gorkij
51. Rikali Laru
52. Caim Naberius
53. Kenrailae
54. Eski Minzin
55. Fault24x
56. MajkStone
57. Tom Schlong
58. Aelavaine
59. Venus Zewana
60. Voxinian
61. Quazided
62. Ami Sentokia
63. Donna Stride
64. Ridjobradi
65. Flashmala
66. Joia Crenca
67. Sire Sparrow
68. Kaze Mester
69. Pendra Tahyan
70. KIller Wabbit
71. Athenea Thiesant
72. Yolinde
73. Emiko P'eng
74. Fixy BrokeIT
75. Hildebrandt Koeppl
76. Paul Brinkhoff
77. Naga Zin
78. L0NEWARRIOR
79. Agfro Er
80. Andy Baer
81. Orlacc
82. Corporeal Universalis
83. Balabhadra Das
84. Kalen Blackstar
85. Joseph Nobel
86. Xodiac Primus
87. Borderjumper
88. phaNNNNToM
89. Mia Coldheart
90. Lugh Crow-Slave
91. Lana 'Monster-Hands' Kane
92. John Lawyer Jr
93. Lance B Johnson
94. Bemo
95. J'xander
96. Algarion Getz
97. Ion Blacknight
98. Vincent Moussou
99. Scarlett Audeles
100. Sien Salazar
101. Mi Shui
102. GeeBee
103. Admiral Zander
104. artemis Ambraella
105. Belthazor4011
106. GoHa RED
107. SeVenNight Deng
108. Ismael Caleb Echart
109. Cat Steele
110. Daemon Ceed
111. Victoria Cohen
112. Beam Moonrunner
113. Cisco Ayeoess
114. Dominous Nolen
115. Anna Tomy
116. Jime Sunji
117. Jegug Gyohoe
118. General Lynch
119. Jules Cognac
120. Artsnis
121. Le Loup Gris
122. Marlene Dakenek
123. Terrorfrodo
124. Swind
125. Edward Olmops
126. Nankeen Heron
127. Belinda Hawke
128. Sandor Kurovsky
129. Bob Hawke
130. Fer'isam K'ahn
131. Sarina Aideron
132. Rhyme Bittern
133. Erik Kalkoken
134. Shaana Mistique
135. Calaeus Fira
136. xRazoRx
137. Kailiani
138. Erasmus Ronuken
139. Eirene Jitacheck
140. Dazzlin Flame
141. Cad Aver
142. Benevolant Khan
143. DeadGuyVegas
144. Jhani Bralhast
145. Gyrr Sie
146. Caldranna
147. Regan Rotineque
148. conney Cadelanne
149. GetOUT The Way817CH
150. Dominik Crowley
151. Siigari Kitawa
152. Christoph Schmidt
153. Kreimhild
154. Doctor Bonn Young
155. Molica Iwaira
156. Myszokar Asterlan
157. sthymj
158. Esrevid Nekkeg
159. fuzz logick
160. Jenn aSide
161. Cookem
162. Zerberus Valheru
163. Lucy Lollipops
164. ChenLi
165. Cookie
166. Josef Djugashvilis
167. Edwin Zavut
168. Nix Axer
169. Wondertoon
170. Jaxon Grylls
171. forsak3n
172. Dajat Lemmont
173. Hindustani Troublemaker
174. John WarpingSlow
175. Countess Markievicz
176. Ni Neith
177. She11by
178. msTokkoTai
179. Elaine Eza
180. Drizden D'Urden
181. Mak Ka
182. LeFleur
183. Zeros Soliety
184. Mephiston Entreri
185. James Frechette
186. Leora Jomir
187. Blue Sonja
188. Xela Kcaneoh
189. Xtank Atratus
190. Zid Freeman
191. totalE
192. MarkaureI
193. Jonn Kramer
194. Ami Lentz
195. Jo Phor
196. NaKiti Entgalle
197. Clandestiny
198. Drauqhk Shathet
199. Harrock Shvir
200. Aischa Montagne
201. VLAD VIRONS
202. Guttripper
203. Matthias Ancaladron
204. Lemmi ChillMister
205. Chiara O'Nyx
206. ModusOperandi


Dear CCP,
We are waiting.



support/bump



Dear Sir, this is one of the best ways to make a statement I have ever seen on the Eve forums. I commend you for it. Let's hope CCP listens (I still have that grain of hope).

Bump for User definable voice files !
Mert Gunok
Boa Innovations
Brothers of Tangra
#795 - 2016-12-09 12:23:12 UTC
The new Aura voice is terrible. Please give an options to revert back to the old one or get rid of it all together. I appreciate the work that went into delivering it, but it completely misses the mark for me. Good day.
fhjldsf Andedare
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#796 - 2016-12-09 20:26:33 UTC
Hi,

I wanted to say that in my honest opinion there should be an update which will include new music in Eve Online. I feel that the playlist is a bit redundant as there are not so much music in the game.

If it could be done it would be awesome.
Ion Blacknight
The Graduates
The Initiative.
#797 - 2016-12-10 13:15:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Ion Blacknight
Ravas Geloris wrote:



200 compared to 20k online ist still "a few".....

But let me guess.... the other 19800 are just the "silent majority" that are surely and without any doubt your opinion and not against it but too lazy or too stupid to follow you.....

You just have to "adjust" reality so that it fits your way......

And the old Aura was awful.....

BTW......

Don't some people have REAL problems to complain about.....

This is simply stupid.....


It is an accepted truth in customer service that for every person that takes the time to make a complaint there are dozens more who think the same thing but don't take the time to complain.

Take the ratio of negative to positive comments in this thread and extrapolate it to the entire player base. That is the way to look at the numbers.

'Cannectin...'

War reports: Blacknight active

Ravas Geloris
Doomheim
#798 - 2016-12-10 15:24:05 UTC
200 complaining is no problem.....its a joke.....

So...1 % of all players find the new voice bad......so what......that means for 99% its ok.....

All you do is to take the facts and form it so that it fits your opinion....there is no "silent majority" 99% of the people simply don't care.....

The "problem" you're complaining about is none....its just gibbering of some people that live in the past and don't like the reality 2016......
Ravas Geloris
Doomheim
#799 - 2016-12-10 15:26:38 UTC
Don Pera Saissore wrote:
20000 online doesnt mean 20000 players.

if those 200 are real ppl, and not 5 dudes with alts, then that would be a big chunk of player base



In which world is 1% "a big chunk"?

In the one i live it's the definition of minority.....
March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#800 - 2016-12-10 17:35:33 UTC
New Aura voice goes the way of new camera: disabled as much as possible. Such a nice addition! Lol

It's nice that we don't need to pay for such 'expansions'....

The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"