Wormholes

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Let's say there's one guy manning the Citadel's guns. Does he have more chances to fend off a small pack of attackers (10~ at most)? Or it won't make any considerable difference in the outcome?

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how about anchoring citadels before downtime or before larger updates

So I guess bottomline about the possibily of solo defending a Citadel is:

- A single player can't deffend his medium Citadel against a small gang (10~ players) once they decide to take it down, even if he is there to man its guns. Thus we see many Astrahuses getting blown in low class wormholes. Citadel works as a force muliplier for a defense fleet.

Another question tho, is about the probability of it getting attacked in low class wormholes.

It looks like the effort it takes to destroy an Astrahus is low enough that small gangs can do it if the defender is not strong/big enough. Is there anything the owner can do to lower the probability of it getting attacked? Commonplace in articles and forum topics on this subject is that "most structures will be left alone if they present too much work to destroy", but that doesn't seem to apply in the current state of things.

Any thoughts are appreciated. Thanks for the responses so far.

With POS being phased out, and medium citadel remaining as the smallest equivalent (at much higher expense), isnt this a really really bad thing for smaller operators, especially in WH space?

Keep in mind anyone that stumbled across a citadel outside of hisec in its first post-anchoring vuln window, while it is anchoring is much more likely to shoot it up since unlike a POS it has to spend that first window in structure.

I'm still not sure how I feel about that system. On the one hand I like that they have a sort of enhanced vulnerability when first going up, but on the other hand I kinda think the obvious 24 hour onlining and free intel on when its going to be sitting around in structure might make it a little too easy for opportunists.

Not sure what I'd change about it though. Seems like it would be OP if it came online with shields and armor. Maybe just have it come online in that first window with armor and turn off the 0% armor reinforcement for the first window? That'd still make it poppable in the first vuln, but you'd have to shoot it twice as much to take it down. Wouldn't change much for the ones that get thrashed because they were'nt prepared to defend themselves, but it might help make that first most important vuln window a bit easier for the defender before it goes in to normal structure vuln mechanics.

Key is: keep your holes shut. Let the timer end on a day where you can at least the five to six hours before the timer ends come online and check for new connections. Close (or crit) all exisiting connections before you set it up.



Really easy. You only need 6000 dps (including resistances) to reach the maximum damage cap. 600 dps is enough to stop the repair timer.

Be online during invul hours. If you get attacked and can't get rid of them, just annoy them: your cita should have neuts and jams.

Next day: get help. Entry to your system and promise of kill mails are a good start to get some WH group in there to help you. And please, have your Intel ready: who, how many, what ships, have the set up a pos/cita in your system.

If you can't find help, but you have an exit: bring some stuff out.

If you can't evacuate or get help: it's time to talk to the attackers. Find out what they want, if they let you evacuate your stuff.

As some others mentioned, hole control is key to setting one up. At the very least, set up a little POS to store some rolling ships and scanners while the citadel anchors. Try to keep the holes critical while it anchors, or at the very least a few hours before it finishes.



When a citadel takes damage, it gets a 15 minute repair timer, and that timer pauses as long as it continues to take damage. So if nobody is there to stop him, a single pilot could take their time shooting for a couple hours. That vulnerability window is essentially only a window to START shooting the citadel, it does not dictate when the shooting stops, necessarily. Also, I'm not sure you can use half hour blocks, think you need one hour blocks.

And don't overestimate the health of each layer. To kill a layer in a half hour only requires 4000dps. (In reality, 5000dps due to the 20% resists. But 5000 isn't very hard to get to)

As someone looking to start a WH corp in a lower classhole this topic disturbs me.

At least for the time being I can just setup a large Dickstar, but when they finally phase out POS this sounds like it really punishes the little guy.

I disagree with both of you.

The initial costs may be higher, the costs over time are much lower, because you only need fuel for services and not the citadel itself.

Setting it up is way easier, mainly: launch for corp, anchor, done, well, and then you have to wait for 24h. Setting up a Pos properly can take hours.

It is easier to defend, because you only have your vulnaribility hours to worry about and you have more time to get out or find help if you get attacked. A Pos can be killed after a single 41 hours (if max stront) reinforce and also has a much bigger time window for the second attack.

There are no Pos defences that will stop the prepared and determined attacker. On the other hand, a citadel with neut and jam can also be quite annoying.

Citadels have: unlimited space for ships, items and fuel, the possibility for a clone service, endless amount of private hangars, easy to manage general access for individual characters and multiple corporations. All stuff that a Pos doesn't have and that can make life so much more comfortable.

One major disadvantage for citadels: dismantling one takes a week (of waiting).