Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I think the title says it all. I really want to see killmails for these expensive things. It gives incentive to people to pick off the fighters rather than the miners/rorqual in certain cases. And given the expensive nature of these new drone/fighters showing the isk expenditure with a lossmail would be a good thing imo.


Thanx.

Because unlike you most people love to brag about their (normally fake due to split value) Killboard efficiency.

It has little to do with killboard efficiency but the likely fact that these drones will be a considerable isk value on their own and killing one IS often the point even of a single or small roam in terms of efficiency. Some Alpha noobs killing even one excavator in exchange for a few cheap frigates or cruisers is a good thing imo even if you cannot kill the rorqual or they all die in a fire doing it. It gives people incentive simply because people understand value in terms of currency. It also means that the person you attacked LOST something in the attempt and everyone will know it rather than it being just a drone.

There is a reason CCP changed it so fighters gave killmails so there is zero reasons not to continue this with excavators.


As for killboards and killmails I would change them drastically myself as I am a firm believer that dissemination of information IS a huge issue for Eve in the information age. But this is an entirely different reason.

And as a rorqual pilot that sat in a POS in YHN for hours and days on end this is pertinent to me as well. These drones will NOT be cheap, especially at first and hitting a rorqual pilot for around 600mil to 1bil in drones before they can scoop them is a POWERFUL incentive for roams that might just die in a fire to do so. That figure is based on the 60K LP and 40mil price in the ORE LP stores price given that ORE expanded cargoholds are 67.5K LP and 45mil and are roughly 220-250mil in Jita currently. These will be newer and more sensitive imo in certain cases and therefore will likely command a better price. 5 of these will be likely more than a bil isk at first. Each of these is a hulk in itself in both price and effectiveness and a worthy target in its own right.

No I dont think you would have to go that far lol the reality is that fighters didnt generate lossmails until the changes and these are:

The new ‘Excavator’ Mining Superdrones are the ultimate culmination of drone mining technology. These giant drones (pictured above) are the result of secretive ORE research into rogue drones. They can only be used by Rorqual-class capital industrial ships. By themselves a set of ‘Excavator’ Superdrones make the Rorqual the most powerful mining ship in the game, and when boosted by an active Industrial Core module they each individually gain the yield of an Exhumer. These Superdrones use the drone system (they are not fighters) and function just like normal mining drones. They require the Mining Drone Specialization and gain its benefits


"Superdrones" that equal an exhumer. That isnt chump change to a pilot.... either side of the killmail.

Reshipping and wars of attrition say that your opinion is invalid. If you get destroyed and cannot replace that ships value over time in a sustained attack/defense situation nor have the will to do so because it is not "fun," worth it, or for any other reason such as morale dictates then you will either not do so or not be able to. Isk value isnt just about paper value but about how it applies to the ability to defend.

When I first started playing Eve isk value of a ships kill didnt matter, it was purely number of kills versus number of losses. This gradually changed to wars of attrition most commonly idealized by Goonswarms "noob swarm" style tactics to use cheap ships to take out larger, more expensive ones. It is ironically the same tactic used by the Russians during WWII against the Germans. The T-34s for vastly inferior tank designs but when produced in such high numbers to the German Panzers, Tigers and Panthers, technologically superior tanks but limited in numbers, they overwhelmed them.

These are real world and in game examples of how the warfront has changed. CCPs inclusion in the game design to "build where you live" and the ideas of system indexs means that wars of attrition are being fought more and more. Especially as isk piles grow in personal, corporate and alliance level wallets. Until either morale is broken or isk reserves are used up and one is unable to field fleets to defend or attack objectives. The "Hell camping" of systems is a common occurrence now, which is reminiscent of many "castle" sieges or even Stalingrad, the Berlin "siege" just after WWII where NATO forces shipped in millions of tons of supplies to Berlin citizens before the corridor was reopened. And let us not forget the German U-boat blockade of Britian during WWII that brought an entire nations food and supply reserves down to approximately 2 weeks worth.

If you think isk value in these cases means just that then you are greatly mistaken. If I can kill your industrial supply lines and SHOW you you are hurting because you must resupply again and again and that supply line is LIMITED to begin with then there is a REAL threat to your supply lines and as such IS a very valid target in a true war effort.

Yet you are arguing against killmails period now and that is silly imo as in the last sentence you negated your entire point. Either you killed him or you didnt....

200mil+ drones arent just killmail worthy when ALL capital fighter drones now already give killmails when they are 10-15mil+ isk. These are CAPITAL fighter drones just for a Capital mining ship and should be afforded the same reality and consistency.

Moved To Player Feature and Ideas.

If I may make a suggestion, if those drones are so valuable why would you kill them in the first place instead of killing the ship and keep the drones?

What he said. They also reduce the mining output and are harder to acquire thereby causing logistics and other interventive measures to halt production and resupply based on usage through denial of items causing a supply/demand bottleneck that can be exploited just as well as any other items in Eve. Controlling and manipulating markets has always been a hallmark of Eve.

The fact that it is and will be much easier to pop these than a rorqual, about as easy as a hulk lets say, means that you can do significant damage to a mining operation both isk and production wise in a very short time. It also gives an option to those who wish to attack these targets solo or in small groups as an effective way to harass and harry them without need for a larger force. Forcing more counterplay and defense options to be fielded or to simply downgrade to a more viable form of boosting like the Orca or the Porpoise.

Youre so helpful Gadget I dont know what we would do without you here!!