Player Features and Ideas Discussion

(disclaimer, I came up with this idea on the toilet just now so may not have fully thought it through but humour me)

Dreadnoughts .......... they are bit useless and I'm here to make them great again.

Now most alliances have quite smartly set up Cyno jammers in their space to stop enemies coming to do stuff in their cheerios. They then deploy POS on every moon and install multiple citadels all over their systems and unless things go badly, that's how things may stay til the servers go off.

Dreadnoughts were introduced to the game to siege these player deployed structures but the fact is no one uses them because Supercarriers and Titans do the job infinitely better. None of these can be used though whilst the obligatory cyno jammer is up.

At the moment its all or nothing. Attackers will use large numbers of Subcaps until such time as they can bring down a jammer and then its Supers and Titans.

Dreadnoughts have very little airtime. They will be used for the occasional swift Super gank, the suicidal dreadbomb Titan headshot in a straight up Isk trade or the elusive super capital brawl which happens once every few years yet I suspect their are THOUSANDS of Dreads sitting in Hangars gaining dust.

Solution? How about 2 'tiers' of Cyno Jammer?

Tier 1 which blocks only Super Capital and Titans
Tier 2 which acts as now and blocks all cynos and thus call capitals

Noodling this in my mind you could have criteria which means some systems would have Tier 1 only and thus introduce new tactics, situations where Dreads and Carriers are first line of attack but face the risk of enemies Supercaps and a race to bring down jammer and chance of escalation.

There is loads I haven't considered I admit, with the main one being bridging in (both could block it?) but I just feel the Dreadnought is a ship which has lost its way and its purpose ...... and I have a few I want to sell :)

But in certain systems its not viable to send in sub caps. Using subcaps to do this forces a critical mass of people and blob online continues its evolution towards blue donut. Also if the enemy is at all competent they should easily be able to repel any subcap attempt because they can use their own caps/supers and delete the subcap attackers.

What I'm suggesting is that middle ground which would enable the attacker to attempt the take down using caps (but not supers) and still be risking going up against enemy supers

I get ya regarding bombers or blops, Cov ops should always be a ninja option and boy do I like Ninjas !

I was wondering the same thing.

Yeah I would love if dreads were more handy like the new carriers for instance.
I just do not think that cyno jammer perspective is the go to perspective.
I would dare look for a touch more of PvE appliance. I know there are capital spawns now, but perhaps there could be more with capital escalations kinda dropping in popularity.

...And what's the easiest and most cost effective way to kill a super?

Dreadbomb.

Twenty should do it in about one minute, is that quick enough? Make it twenty five to cover losses/resists/etc

(Not having a titan fit handy, I grabbed the first one I could find on zkill. An erebus with a hair over 13 mil EHP. But since you're going to dismiss any argument as 'well the titan/super pilot was stupid', it doesn't really matter.)

Goons know how many Dreads it takes to swiftly bomb and kill a Revenant, some Titans and a few Supers :)

You're totally missing the original point because you are now talking about Dread bombs and this idea is about an attacking force dealing with a cyno jammed system.

Someone said 'Why not just gate your caps' ? I'm unsure you are grasping the reality of this because its an idea to try and introduce a valid use for Dreads other than suicide bombs which is pretty much their sole use in large scale warfare now.

So if Defender (A) has a cyno jammed system and Attacker (B) comes along B has 2 options:

1. Gate in Subcaps to attack jammer - Which means that B must bring a HUGE number of subcaps because A can use their own caps and their subcaps to repel this force AND know exactly where they are coming from ie massacre at gate or B has to blob A so hard that he knows hes getting through gate and everyone complains no fight/content due to numbers.

2. Gate in Supers to attack jammer / everything - Still negates any need for Dreads so unsure what your point is?


I genuinely think that it would add a nuance to attacking Sov holders if there was varied 'levels' of cyno jamming so that some systems you could cyno in ships of a certain size but not others meaning more variety in the fleets and subsequent escalations.

Dreads are not in a bad place. In capital/subcap fights they do very well. They hold their own quite nicely where smaller numbers of supers are involved as well.


OP's alliance is skewing his perspective. NC/PLfamhordecoalition. have caused their own problem. No where else in Eve have my max skilled moros pilots felt like second or third class citizens than the time I spent in NC.



On those scales, yeah, dreads can't compete with the swarms of fibo's and DD's.


You don't have to look long at Zkill to see that the problem is not dreads, it's supers*.

@OP, you would like to 'make dreads great again?'


Okay, nerf supers.



(Still not so secretly sad about combat refitting :( )

*edited for clarity.