Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Strange never even knew this was a thing.

Quoting for emphasis.


Pro-tip: Don't be a killmail whore. No one likes a killmail whore.

If you were a major contributing factor in someone's demise, your fleet will know it. And they will want to fly with you again because THEY know it. That is all you need.


Disclosure: I was in Faction Warfare for a few years and this was a regular occurance. We made sure the players who helped "push" targets through gates got their praise and sometimes even valuable loot.

Then you need to run with better fleets.


A good fleet recognizes a forward tackler. Even one who merely pushes targets through a gate.

Do it enough times and the FC will ask you to take point in the future.

And without a killmail of such shenanigans on your record, this makes you more effective at your job (because scouts who pull up your info will misreport you).

Yes... lack of killmail info is actually an asset!!

It is true that logi pilots usually lack the epeen while they risk plenty being a popular target and have actually key influence on most engagements.
However KB is for fags and wankers. And putting logi on it is free intel.
Real men know better and while being a good logi will essentialy lock you in the role and prevent entry from the elitist kb masturbator society kind of corp. You will and should be appreciated by your peers.

No, no they don't. KMs just give free intel on you and what you fly.

Hell, I've bought characters from the bazaar specifically because they have terrible killboards just to appear to be worse in game. It's a tactical advantage to not have a killboard (or to have a bad one)

If I could I'd opt out of all kill and lossmails.

I'm glad other people like to give me free intel on their normal residency, fleet comp, fittings, and identity of other people's cyno and bait ships though.

So sure. Add all the people to the KM.

Now to play the Devil's Advocate, mostly because I don't think that the OP's wrong... when looked at in the right light.

For the strategic and tactical goals of many EvE players, kill mails are dangerous. They give away far too much information to your rivals, targets, and in-game enemies. Maybe they can be used for propaganda, but using KM's in this manner has lesser utility than as a source of information.

However, many players play EvE as a giant video game, and they're trying to get the high score. Who's to say that they're wrong to play EvE this way... it actually is a giant video game. With this style of play, kill mails and boards are a definite way to keep score among rivals, targets, and in-game enemies. Sure, your gang or corp may honor the support pilots with a "nice job" and maybe even a beer at the local pub if their group is also RL friends, but when it comes to comparing those scores with rivals, the support pilot is just the towel boy - important to the team and maybe even the cause of the kills in a removed manner, but ultimately not seen and therefore not acknowledged by rivals.

This is good strategically, but bad for the ego... that point of playing for score.

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Personally, I think that there should be an opt-in to kill mails:

• First, have the kill mails have all that participated in the kill, one way or another. This includes repping or boosting a ship that's involved, but not having to target the kill yourself.


• Second, have a checkbox where you can choose to be on or off all kill mails. (not retroactive)

Problem solved, and a new element of the game is added in KM-fu, which I'm sure some enterprising gang will notice something about opting in or out of KM's that will change the meta for all. That's EvE for ya. /shrug

I'm not entirely sure that what I propose is technically possible, but if target-of-my-target can exist in other games, then it could exist here, even if unseen, and be recorded. The new changes from boosts to bursts, can only make the proposal easierto accomplish, as there is interaction between ships.

Anyway, I find no reason why both styles of play can't exist simultaneously. It can only make EvE even more of the sandbox.

--Gadget