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Xcom
US Space Force
Black Rose.
#1 - 2016-11-05 16:58:11 UTC
I haven't played in a while and might be completely wrong about this subject. But talks about making free accounts and suicide ganking becoming prevalent got me thinking.

Empire ganking is a valid game mechanic and brings its own flavour to empire life. It just seams to have a flawed workaround. Am I correct to assume you can biomass your character and make a new one in notime to reset security standings. It does sound like a valid workaround to create empire suicide alts, level up required skills and concordicon again, rinse and repeat.

Couldn't we have the standing follow through to the newly made alt on the same account on that same slot. Just to prevent abuse of this type. Pirate life drawbacks shouldn't be circumnavigated via game mechanics.
Donnachadh
United Allegiance of Undesirables
#2 - 2016-11-05 17:04:24 UTC
Xcom wrote:
I haven't played in a while and might be completely wrong about this subject. But talks about making free accounts and suicide ganking becoming prevalent got me thinking.

Empire ganking is a valid game mechanic and brings its own flavour to empire life. It just seams to have a flawed workaround. Am I correct to assume you can biomass your character and make a new one in notime to reset security standings. It does sound like a valid workaround to create empire suicide alts, level up required skills and concordicon again, rinse and repeat.

Couldn't we have the standing follow through to the newly made alt on the same account on that same slot. Just to prevent abuse of this type. Pirate life drawbacks shouldn't be circumnavigated via game mechanics.

Yes that is one way to work around the standings issues.
What most gankers do is simply not worry about standings, they keep the gank characters docked until a target is trapped, then they un-dock and do their thing. Being chased by faction police and the possibility that they may attacked by someone passing by because standings is just a part they learn to deal with. The scouts used to find the targets have standings high enough that faction police and the white knights cannot attack them.
Xcom
US Space Force
Black Rose.
#3 - 2016-11-05 17:44:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Xcom
Finding a workaround ingame sounds valid but not using biomass mechanics. Biomass reset just introduces external mechanics to fix in game issues.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#4 - 2016-11-05 17:53:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Xcom wrote:
I haven't played in a while and might be completely wrong about this subject. But talks about making free accounts and suicide ganking becoming prevalent got me thinking.

Empire ganking is a valid game mechanic and brings its own flavour to empire life. It just seams to have a flawed workaround. Am I correct to assume you can biomass your character and make a new one in notime to reset security standings. It does sound like a valid workaround to create empire suicide alts, level up required skills and concordicon again, rinse and repeat.

Couldn't we have the standing follow through to the newly made alt on the same account on that same slot. Just to prevent abuse of this type. Pirate life drawbacks shouldn't be circumnavigated via game mechanics.
Bio-massing a character to avoid the consequences of a negative security status incurs the wrath of CCP, and use of the ban hammer if applicable; it's considered to be an exploit, not a workaround.

TL;DR CCP come down like a ton of bricks on people who do it, as such it rarely happens.

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Xcom
US Space Force
Black Rose.
#5 - 2016-11-05 18:11:18 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Bio-massing a character to avoid the consequences of a negative security status incurs the wrath of CCP, and use of the ban hammer if applicable; it's considered to be an exploit, not a workaround.

TL;DR CCP come down like a ton of bricks on people who do it, as such it rarely happens.

That sounds like a assuring confidence in CCPs ability to track this isolated action. Isn't it possible for anyone to biomass for a multitude of reasons. How is it even possible to know the intent let alone take harsh actions as to ban anyone doing it?
Dark Lord Trump
Infinite Point
Pandemic Horde
#6 - 2016-11-05 18:19:06 UTC
Xcom wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Bio-massing a character to avoid the consequences of a negative security status incurs the wrath of CCP, and use of the ban hammer if applicable; it's considered to be an exploit, not a workaround.

TL;DR CCP come down like a ton of bricks on people who do it, as such it rarely happens.

That sounds like a assuring confidence in CCPs ability to track this isolated action. Isn't it possible for anyone to biomass for a multitude of reasons. How is it even possible to know the intent let alone take harsh actions as to ban anyone doing it?

If you're constantly biomassing characters that have low sec status that probably triggers a flag. CCP isn't a criminal court; they don't need absolute proof. If you do that they can just ban your account or email/IP.

I'm going to build a big wall that will keep the Gallente out, and they're going to pay for it!
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#7 - 2016-11-05 18:58:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Xcom wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Bio-massing a character to avoid the consequences of a negative security status incurs the wrath of CCP, and use of the ban hammer if applicable; it's considered to be an exploit, not a workaround.

TL;DR CCP come down like a ton of bricks on people who do it, as such it rarely happens.

That sounds like a assuring confidence in CCPs ability to track this isolated action. Isn't it possible for anyone to biomass for a multitude of reasons. How is it even possible to know the intent let alone take harsh actions as to ban anyone doing it?
I'm assured that CCP deal with it when it happens because I know someone that did biomass a negative status alt, they were contacted by a GM as to the reason why; IIRC it was to free up a slot for a character transfer and thus no further action was taken.

I'd take a guess that CCP regularly runs a query on the database that looks for instances of recently bio-massed characters with negative sec status and then contacts the owners of any accounts that are flagged for clarification. You can also report players that you suspect are recycling negative sec status characters in order to roll a new alt that is used for the same purpose.

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Iain Cariaba
#8 - 2016-11-05 19:43:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Iain Cariaba
Xcom wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Bio-massing a character to avoid the consequences of a negative security status incurs the wrath of CCP, and use of the ban hammer if applicable; it's considered to be an exploit, not a workaround.

TL;DR CCP come down like a ton of bricks on people who do it, as such it rarely happens.

That sounds like a assuring confidence in CCPs ability to track this isolated action. Isn't it possible for anyone to biomass for a multitude of reasons. How is it even possible to know the intent let alone take harsh actions as to ban anyone doing it?

I've biomassed a negative sec status alt to make room on an account for another one that I bought off the character bazaar. I think it took maybe 20 minutes for the e-mail to arrive warning me that I was violating the rules by biomassing to avoid the penalties of the sec status. Fortunately for me, I didn't biomass the alt until after I had made the deal on the character bazaar, so I didn't actually get banned.

Yes, it is very easy for CCP to track these kinds of things.

Edit: Sorry, Jonah. Didn't see your post til after I wrote this one. Twisted
Xcom
US Space Force
Black Rose.
#9 - 2016-11-05 19:50:02 UTC
Interesting. Thanks for the clarifications.
Crack Spawn
Doomheim
#10 - 2016-11-05 21:23:56 UTC
how about if you're in fleet with someone with low standings your standing reflect that while in fleet ?

can work because a lot of gankers use neutral alts as warpins, ? worth looking at ?
Salah ad-Din al-Jawahiri
Dreamweb Industries
Novus Ordo.
#11 - 2016-11-05 22:57:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Salah ad-Din al-Jawahiri
Xcom wrote:
Empire ganking is a valid game mechanic and brings its own flavour to empire life. It just seams to have a flawed workaround. Am I correct to assume you can biomass your character and make a new one in notime to reset security standings. It does sound like a valid workaround to create empire suicide alts, level up required skills and concordicon again, rinse and repeat.


The mentioned CCP factor aside, I can't imagine why a sufficiently involved player would waste his time recycling ganking characters aside from some niche functions like suicide points against haulers (and if the ganker is using this technique, he's rich enough to afford some tags anyway).

Alpha characters are trash and will be able to suicide gank nothing but similar trash. I was showing a new player how to gank tonight, and his sec status went toast after three ganks. Well, okay, I made him shoot a pod, which sped it up, although he failed to destroy it in the end. Yet, the point stands: the effort of constant biomassing, creating new characters and transferring ganking assets (fresh characters don't get those out of thin air) while constantly logging in and out back and forth, and all for a handful of Ventures per character, is not what I would call effective use of your time.

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Daichi Yamato
Jabbersnarks and Wonderglass
#12 - 2016-11-05 23:01:32 UTC
Warping in on an alt is not an exploit.

Nor should there be ANY kind of punishment for joining a fleet with bad standing or sec status. Players with such standing will grief noobs by inviting them to fleets.

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