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Assault Frigates Will Blot Out the Sun...

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Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
#141 - 2012-01-02 15:37:55 UTC
Boosting AB speed has already been tried and proven to be a failure of epic proportions.

Move along.
Zarnak Wulf
Task Force 641
Empyrean Edict
#142 - 2012-01-02 16:21:49 UTC
Salvia Olima wrote:
Okay. But when I see these little (rebuffed) boats approaching towards my Tornado, I will just swicth the scripts and alpha them, one-by-one, while happily mwd-ing away. 50% bonus to sig while mwd-ing is next to nothing, even if I take to account that not ALL AF-pilots are helpless noobs to approach directly.

So, my recommendation will be to give an AB speed-bonus instead of any MWD-bonus, so much that the slowest AF's speed should be in-par with an overheated mwd-speed of the tier3 BCs. This way AF-s can still have some cap when they reach target, and most of them needs some spare cap to fight.


Tier 3 BC are completely helpless against any competent frigate pilot. It needs backup. If you want to take your Tornado out solo it will die embarrassingly the first time a frigate lands 20km off of it.
Hungry Eyes
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#143 - 2012-01-03 01:40:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Hungry Eyes
Sebo-fitted Nados have shredded their share of frigs. just sayin.
TuxedoMask
Public Enemies CO
The Initiative.
#144 - 2012-01-13 18:50:48 UTC
Can I please get some Vengeance fits?
Masatoshi Hamada
Doomheim
#145 - 2012-01-13 18:54:36 UTC
It is good that you are getting buffed attack frigate. Now, there will be many different battlefields. I want to steer the ship electronic warfare, which is used for things like boats, such as Jaguar and Ishkur is a welcome change.
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#146 - 2012-01-13 18:54:43 UTC
Zarnak Wulf wrote:
Salvia Olima wrote:
Okay. But when I see these little (rebuffed) boats approaching towards my Tornado, I will just swicth the scripts and alpha them, one-by-one, while happily mwd-ing away. 50% bonus to sig while mwd-ing is next to nothing, even if I take to account that not ALL AF-pilots are helpless noobs to approach directly.

So, my recommendation will be to give an AB speed-bonus instead of any MWD-bonus, so much that the slowest AF's speed should be in-par with an overheated mwd-speed of the tier3 BCs. This way AF-s can still have some cap when they reach target, and most of them needs some spare cap to fight.


Tier 3 BC are completely helpless against any competent frigate pilot. It needs backup. If you want to take your Tornado out solo it will die embarrassingly the first time a frigate lands 20km off of it.


lol

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
Zarnak Wulf
Task Force 641
Empyrean Edict
#147 - 2012-01-13 19:34:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Zarnak Wulf
Talos scare me. Tornado - not so much.

Edit - dual prop Enyo with scrambler was vicious on SISSI
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#148 - 2012-01-13 20:05:26 UTC
Eh, you should be afraid of the Tornado too, but the Talos really is pretty ridiculous.

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
Biced
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#149 - 2012-01-14 08:51:12 UTC
Hirana Yoshida wrote:
Boosting AB speed has already been tried and proven to be a failure of epic proportions.

Move along.


care to elaborate?
no need for anything long with alot of number.

kinda fond of the idea of lets say x10 more thrust to small ab.
fail of epic proportions means i didnt think this through all the way i guess...
Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
#150 - 2012-01-14 14:38:02 UTC
Biced wrote:
care to elaborate?...

Not again, no. Go to proper thread in test server forum, the whole debate from 3yrs ago has almost been recreated Smile
Flyinghotpocket
Small Focused Memes
Ragequit Cancel Sub
#151 - 2012-01-19 03:21:47 UTC
retribution went from obsolete. toooo obsolete

Amarr Militia Representative - A jar of nitro
Ziester
State War Academy
Caldari State
#152 - 2012-01-19 14:22:10 UTC
EIther way, Neuts will have it again.

Pop, rock, Metal radio station
Tanya Powers
Doomheim
#153 - 2012-01-24 12:40:47 UTC
Lunkwill Khashour wrote:
I agree that the MWD bonus is a little disappointing. All AF's gain an extra slot but none of them gain grid increases and only some a CPU increase. I don't know how hard some of the AF's are to fit atm but it'll become more difficult.



Wolf wolf wolf grrrr, wolf wolf, grrrr.


Lol
Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#154 - 2012-01-24 17:43:46 UTC
I'm not sure what to think of these changes.

Is there an eft like program that has them?

MWD change might basically amount to the tracking equivalent of a normal ab in close range due to the agility problems mwds cause. Plus they can now be scrammed and cap will be even more of an issue. However when you overheat that mwd you will likely cause allot of tracking issues.

These may be tier3 bc killers.

Getting neuted out is one of the main weaknesses of flying afs against cruisers now and I am not sure many of the changes address this. In fact they seem to exagerate this weakness. (which may be appropriate) Sure you can add a cap injector but the cpu and grid didn't increase. Plus if the cruiser has a web and scram you might still have problems in close. You definitely will have problems if you dont have a scram of your own.

It does seem like there will be allot of powerfull kiting fits though.

Interesting changes. Ill admit I don't know what to make of it until I can start efting them.

Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
Captain Nares
O3 Corporation
#155 - 2012-01-24 18:15:57 UTC
It is easier to give better stats than to give some role Ugh
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#156 - 2012-01-24 18:22:05 UTC
I think at this point its time to just demonstrate it. I'm going to continue spending tons of time in my favorite non-logi ship class... and I'm going to continue killing entire gangs with it.

I came up with a Harpy fit last night that is just flat better than my old Harpy fit in every possible way. Muahahahaha...

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
Darthewok
Perkone
Caldari State
#157 - 2012-01-24 18:28:04 UTC
Cearain wrote:
Is there an eft like program that has them?

EFT 2.14.2 has the new AFs in them. Under Ships->Assault Ships, there are both the new versions and the old versions.
Eg. TEST Harpy is the new one, Harpy is the old one. Some VERY nice new fits possible. nom nom nom.

Not overly happy with MWD sig buff, but I can understand it. AB boost would be OP, so they had to give something else. I can see MWD sig buff helping with AFs being used as heavy tacklers in fleet combat but that's a little niche.

That said, there is already enough goodness in the slot additions and bonus improvements for AF fans to rejoice.

I can't believe how much more interesting frigates are looking now with a much wider diversity of contenders for top frigate than before. Good job. And the value-to-cost ratio of AFs is finally making more sense.

Fly dangerously, have fun!

CAVEAT RICHARDUS VOLVERE - YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHg5SJYRHA0
TuxedoMask
Public Enemies CO
The Initiative.
#158 - 2012-01-24 19:28:14 UTC  |  Edited by: TuxedoMask
Darthewok wrote:
Cearain wrote:
Is there an eft like program that has them?

EFT 2.14.2 has the new AFs in them. Under Ships->Assault Ships, there are both the new versions and the old versions.


Its operator error on my part, but I downloaded the EFT dated; (Released: 17 Jan 2012) and i dont see the new AF on there, Still shows the Ret with one mid
Darthewok
Perkone
Caldari State
#159 - 2012-01-24 19:42:59 UTC
Gripen wrote:
New AFs added as separate ships called "TEST Vengeance", "TEST Retribution", etc. Same with "TEST Null" ammo. If you don't have them make sure you've correctly replaced all the files during update.


From Page 16 of the EFT thread. Anyway you could just wait till the new version of EFT comes out. EFT/Gripen rocks!

CAVEAT RICHARDUS VOLVERE - YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHg5SJYRHA0
Khrage
#160 - 2012-01-25 06:57:23 UTC
so anyone else fitting up a vengeance now? how are people handling the new grid issues that comp with fitting another high slot mod? or just strapping something on as a heatsink?