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Compressed Ore in Hi sec

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Mara Jeda
Colonial Industries
#1 - 2016-11-01 23:36:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Mara Jeda
So I'm a small solo player that plays mostly on my own with a few RL friends here and there, I mine mostly and to transport it and add some value I compress it, maybe pop into WH space and find some rare ore, turning the POS off when I'm done, its quite easy to manage, and my friends benifit. There was another topic that addressed compression of ore but it was locked, with concluding citadels wont replace POS. lol yet in December* in the future sometime we wont be able to place down another POS , and an engineering complex, the cheapest of which is 700mil is the only alternative and takes a week to anchor , it seems hardly mobile and 7x more expensive. Do they have compression modules, or am I missing something? Is this basically going to kill off small corps that want to be nomadic and plot down a small POS? end me and my friends way of playing?

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Solonius Rex
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2016-11-02 00:10:27 UTC
Mara Jeda wrote:
So I'm a small solo player that plays mostly on my own with a few RL friends here and there, I mine mostly and to transport it and add some value I compress it, maybe pop into WH space and find some rare ore, turning the POS off when I'm done, its quite easy to manage, and my friends benifit. There was another topic that addressed compression of ore but it was locked, with concluding citadels wont replace POS. lol yet in December we wont be able to place down another POS, and now an engineering complex, the cheapest of which is 700mil is the only alternative, and it seems hardly mobile and 7x more expensive. Do they have compression modules, or am I missing something? Is this basically going to kill off small corps that want to be nomadic and plot down a small POS? end me and my friends way of playing?


Citadels can compress ore.

You can go to most hisec citadels and compress them.

Otherwise, if you dont want to spend 700 mill i suggest you make friends that actually matter, or possibly hammer out a deal to use a friendly citadel in a wh.

Eve at its core is a multiplayer game, so, you know, its harder to go it alone.
Cristl
#3 - 2016-11-02 00:30:39 UTC
Mara Jeda wrote:
... in December we wont be able to place down another POS

Outposts cannot be put down after December, POS aren't going just yet
Kaivarian Coste
It Came From Thera
#4 - 2016-11-02 04:00:11 UTC
Citadels with ore compression are pretty common throughout high sec these days.
Eternus8lux8lucis
Guardians of the Gate
RAZOR Alliance
#5 - 2016-11-02 05:08:22 UTC
This is what some of my alts have been doing currently. Hunting for Citadels that have compression that are nearby and simply hauling there and compressing and then hauling the entire load elsewhere. Usually its only a jump or two at most.

Youd be surprised at what regions are empty of citadels, what regions are filled with them *caldari*, and it gives you a bit more intel and lay of the land regarding whos around in that space even as a nomadic tribal player this is a must. Blink

Have you heard anything I've said?

You said it's all circling the drain, the whole universe. Right?

That's right.

Had to end sometime.

Mara Jeda
Colonial Industries
#6 - 2016-11-02 06:43:43 UTC
Alright i must have missed somewhere that said citadels would have compression capabilities, and i have largely ignored them as simply player run stations that will probably tax me in some way. I'm assuming this will pass on to Engineering complexes. In terms of wondering around I guess our days of ploping down a POS in a system and exploring around are done (past December but still sometime in the future it will be through ) . Though I like Eternus8lux8lucis's suggestion.
Eternus8lux8lucis
Guardians of the Gate
RAZOR Alliance
#7 - 2016-11-02 06:46:46 UTC
Nope, no cost, no taxes involved. Just show info on any citadels in system and go to services. If a reprocessing module is present and you can dock at it you can store ore and compress free of charge there. Your only concern will be if they make docking rights unavailable to you in the future as for storage of goods there. Im uncertain how fast a public citadel can be made private and Ive seen some Ive used in the past lose the service module, either by taking it out or running out of fuel. But other than these issues dock, compress and haul away.

All just a simple right click away.Big smile

Have you heard anything I've said?

You said it's all circling the drain, the whole universe. Right?

That's right.

Had to end sometime.

13kr1d1
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#8 - 2016-11-02 20:03:37 UTC
which is all pretty dumb.

Giving away services for free when you could charge and get money?

Don't kid yourselves. Even the dirtiest pirates from the birth of EVE have been carebears. They use alts to bring them goods at cheap prices and safely, rather than live with consequences of their in game actions on their main, from concord to prices

Sonya Corvinus
Grant Village
#9 - 2016-11-02 20:35:14 UTC
The short answer is yes, they are greatly nerfing smaller group, nomadic lifestyles. Most people ignore this given it's not a playstyle a lot of people do. Unless something significantly changes, what you're doing now is going to get significantly more difficult after POSes go away (which is later than december, as was mentioned)
Solonius Rex
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2016-11-03 10:07:12 UTC
13kr1d1 wrote:
which is all pretty dumb.

Giving away services for free when you could charge and get money?


Some charge money as tax. Its usually very very little though.

If you come upon a high tax citadel, try negotiating with the corp in question to get blue status.
Solonius Rex
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2016-11-03 10:13:35 UTC
Sonya Corvinus wrote:
The short answer is yes, they are greatly nerfing smaller group, nomadic lifestyles. Most people ignore this given it's not a playstyle a lot of people do. Unless something significantly changes, what you're doing now is going to get significantly more difficult after POSes go away (which is later than december, as was mentioned)


My alt is a solo operative, and yet i can easily afford 700-800 mill. Infact i build all my T2 battleships/battlecruisers and saved atleast 1 bill so far so.

To be honest, any small corp should be able to afford an overhead cost of around 700-800 mill easily. Its not that much. I think the fact that corps can be created with only a couple million isk, gives people the impression that anyone should be able to start a corp if they want to, but in reality, this only creates sh*t corps.
Andreve en Distel
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2016-11-03 11:13:51 UTC
Just to chime in a bit, if you're mainly looking at compressing and reprocessing ore, don't get too discouraged yet. CCP Fozzie confirmed that the Drilling Platforms due sometime this winter will be the actual structures bonused for reprocessing (and by extension, compression, since both services are currently tied into one service module). I don't know if they talked about Drilling Platforms at Eve Vegas, but I feel like there's a good chance they'll be a step down in size/cost from the Citadels and Engineering Complexes both in initial cost and operations expenses.

Of course, I could be completely wrong and they'll suck. But let's see what CCP has in store for us with the Drilling Platforms.
Sonya Corvinus
Grant Village
#13 - 2016-11-03 14:02:01 UTC
Solonius Rex wrote:
Sonya Corvinus wrote:
The short answer is yes, they are greatly nerfing smaller group, nomadic lifestyles. Most people ignore this given it's not a playstyle a lot of people do. Unless something significantly changes, what you're doing now is going to get significantly more difficult after POSes go away (which is later than december, as was mentioned)


My alt is a solo operative, and yet i can easily afford 700-800 mill. Infact i build all my T2 battleships/battlecruisers and saved atleast 1 bill so far so.

To be honest, any small corp should be able to afford an overhead cost of around 700-800 mill easily. Its not that much. I think the fact that corps can be created with only a couple million isk, gives people the impression that anyone should be able to start a corp if they want to, but in reality, this only creates sh*t corps.


It's not the pricetag as much as the week long unanchoring time that kills nomadic play
Solonius Rex
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2016-11-04 04:00:05 UTC
Sonya Corvinus wrote:
Solonius Rex wrote:
Sonya Corvinus wrote:
The short answer is yes, they are greatly nerfing smaller group, nomadic lifestyles. Most people ignore this given it's not a playstyle a lot of people do. Unless something significantly changes, what you're doing now is going to get significantly more difficult after POSes go away (which is later than december, as was mentioned)


My alt is a solo operative, and yet i can easily afford 700-800 mill. Infact i build all my T2 battleships/battlecruisers and saved atleast 1 bill so far so.

To be honest, any small corp should be able to afford an overhead cost of around 700-800 mill easily. Its not that much. I think the fact that corps can be created with only a couple million isk, gives people the impression that anyone should be able to start a corp if they want to, but in reality, this only creates sh*t corps.


It's not the pricetag as much as the week long unanchoring time that kills nomadic play


You cant expect to be a nomad AND have a house.
Soldarius
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#15 - 2016-11-04 14:27:28 UTC
Mara Jeda wrote:
yet in December we wont be able to place down another POS


This is incorrect. You are confusing a POS with a station. POS is Player Owned Starbase. Stations are the permanent structures in which you can dock, trade, repair, etc.

http://youtu.be/YVkUvmDQ3HY

Sonya Corvinus
Grant Village
#16 - 2016-11-04 15:26:16 UTC
Solonius Rex wrote:
You cant expect to be a nomad AND have a house.


We have been able to do it for years with small POSes.
Mara Jeda
Colonial Industries
#17 - 2016-11-05 03:30:26 UTC
Andreve en Distel wrote:
Just to chime in a bit, if you're mainly looking at compressing and reprocessing ore, don't get too discouraged yet. CCP Fozzie confirmed that the Drilling Platforms due sometime this winter will be the actual structures bonused for reprocessing (and by extension, compression, since both services are currently tied into one service module). I don't know if they talked about Drilling Platforms at Eve Vegas, but I feel like there's a good chance they'll be a step down in size/cost from the Citadels and Engineering Complexes both in initial cost and operations expenses.

Of course, I could be completely wrong and they'll suck. But let's see what CCP has in store for us with the Drilling Platforms.

That is true, Drilling platforms might bring back nomadic game play depending on how they work. If they dont have a week long anchoring process , putting price aside, would allow us to move around a bit more, without being dependent on citadels and engineering complexes.
Dark Lord Trump
Infinite Point
Pandemic Horde
#18 - 2016-11-05 13:42:14 UTC
Solonius Rex wrote:
Sonya Corvinus wrote:
Solonius Rex wrote:
Sonya Corvinus wrote:
The short answer is yes, they are greatly nerfing smaller group, nomadic lifestyles. Most people ignore this given it's not a playstyle a lot of people do. Unless something significantly changes, what you're doing now is going to get significantly more difficult after POSes go away (which is later than december, as was mentioned)


My alt is a solo operative, and yet i can easily afford 700-800 mill. Infact i build all my T2 battleships/battlecruisers and saved atleast 1 bill so far so.

To be honest, any small corp should be able to afford an overhead cost of around 700-800 mill easily. Its not that much. I think the fact that corps can be created with only a couple million isk, gives people the impression that anyone should be able to start a corp if they want to, but in reality, this only creates sh*t corps.


It's not the pricetag as much as the week long unanchoring time that kills nomadic play


You cant expect to be a nomad AND have a house.

It's called a tent.

I'm going to build a big wall that will keep the Gallente out, and they're going to pay for it!

Eternus8lux8lucis
Guardians of the Gate
RAZOR Alliance
#19 - 2016-11-05 17:32:52 UTC
The issue isnt so much the price tag its how easily its attackable and how hard it is to pick up and move around. This was something CCP intended, you cant have it unless you defend it, but in doing so have nerfed a playstyle quite seriously. Balance is hard and itll never be right regardless of how well thought out imo. It was too easy to dodge things but also it is too easy to attack things, this being a game attacking and fun go hand in hand so its sort of a nature of the beast issue for me.

I have actually been surprised at how many citadels have gone up around high sec and how many have stayed public. And here I thought Penirgman was station busy but Perimeter will give it a go soon enough. I was always worried about the space junk on overviews though but we shall see in the future.

Engineering complexs are supposed to be cheaper but who knows if they will have shorter tear down times. But the way CCP is heading is to make everything destructible and then watch null burn high sec when theres no recourse and then farm out, aka tax heavily, all high sec into oblivion and make it like the null lite renter area.

Have you heard anything I've said?

You said it's all circling the drain, the whole universe. Right?

That's right.

Had to end sometime.

Princess Adhara
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2016-11-05 23:25:55 UTC
Solonius Rex wrote:
You cant expect to be a nomad AND have a house.


Nomadic people have no interest in houses (stations/citadels).

Nomadic people care about tents (pos'es), temporary structures that are not as comfortable as houses, but can be taken down and moved away very quickly and easily.

CCP decided people can be settlers (citadel builders) instead of only crashing into other people's homes (npc stations).

I don't see a reason to forbid people to be nomads and force them to be settlers.

Forcing people into a single playstyle is the halmark of theme park games, not sandboxes.
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