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Ship for high sec combat sites

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b0bz3n Zateki
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#1 - 2016-10-31 00:09:50 UTC  |  Edited by: b0bz3n Zateki
Hello!

Im kinda new to eve and have been hearing combat sites is a good way to make money but sadly im not alot in to fittings yet Sad


However i would prefere a omen which is the ship i usually fly with lasers since that is the only weapons im good at

So if anyone have some time on thier hands and would be kind to make me a fitting for high sec combat sites with a omen that uses lasers

Thanks in advance!


EDIT:

If anyone have a noob friendly guide on how combat sites work that could be great!Big smile
Do Little
Bluenose Trading
#2 - 2016-10-31 07:47:32 UTC
There are two kinds of combat sites in highsec. Unrated can be found easily using your onboard scanner. http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Cosmic_Anomalies

DED rated sites need to be scanned down. http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/DED_complexes

As a new player, start with Burrows and work your way up. The DED sites pay quite well, even in highsec.

A discussion of the Omen, including some recommended fits: http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Omen


erg cz
Federal Jegerouns
#3 - 2016-10-31 09:39:46 UTC
b0bz3n Zateki wrote:
Hello!

Im kinda new to eve and have been hearing combat sites is a good way to make money but sadly im not alot in to fittings yet Sad


However i would prefere a omen which is the ship i usually fly with lasers since that is the only weapons im good at

So if anyone have some time on thier hands and would be kind to make me a fitting for high sec combat sites with a omen that uses lasers

Thanks in advance!


EDIT:

If anyone have a noob friendly guide on how combat sites work that could be great!Big smile


This is Omen for newbie - active tank and cap stable. You can even switch damage control to two rat specific armor hardeners, if you still can't tank ratrs with it.
[Omen, New Setup 1]
Medium Armor Repairer II
Damage Control II
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II

10MN Monopropellant Enduring Afterburner
Large Cap Battery II
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script

Quad Modulated Light Energy Beam I, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Quad Modulated Light Energy Beam I, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Quad Modulated Light Energy Beam I, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Quad Modulated Light Energy Beam I, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Quad Modulated Light Energy Beam I, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M

Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
Medium Energy Locus Coordinator I
Medium Energy Collision Accelerator I

Hobgoblin II x5


But I would suggest to use it's navy version. A little bit lower in DPS abut much better with damage application due to optimal range bonus:
[Omen Navy Issue, New Setup 1]
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Damage Control II
Medium Armor Repairer II
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II
Drone Damage Amplifier II

10MN Monopropellant Enduring Afterburner
Large Cap Battery II
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script

Quad Modulated Light Energy Beam I, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Quad Modulated Light Energy Beam I, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Quad Modulated Light Energy Beam I, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Quad Modulated Light Energy Beam I, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Core Probe Launcher I, Core Scanner Probe I

Medium Energy Collision Accelerator I
Medium Energy Locus Coordinator I
Medium Energy Locus Coordinator I

Hobgoblin II x5
Acolyte II x5

12 km optimal with multifrequence is where most rats you will see at.
ColdCutz
Frigonometry
#4 - 2016-10-31 11:29:13 UTC
Do Little wrote:
There are two kinds of combat sites in highsec. Unrated can be found easily using your onboard scanner. http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Cosmic_Anomalies

DED rated sites need to be scanned down. http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/DED_complexes

As a new player, start with Burrows and work your way up. The DED sites pay quite well, even in highsec.

A discussion of the Omen, including some recommended fits: http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Omen



For clarification, 'Unrated' is another category of combat sites that have to be probed down just like DED combat sites. Cosmic Anomalies are the combat sites that show up in your list without the need to scan, often called 'green sites' by players.
b0bz3n Zateki
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#5 - 2016-10-31 14:52:09 UTC
Hello and thanks for the answers!

i was told the omen wasnt good for combat sites. Is that the case or should i switch to another ship?
b0bz3n Zateki
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#6 - 2016-10-31 15:01:55 UTC
Also i got a budget of around 200M for the new ship so if anyone got a fitting (dont have to be omen but lasers would be nice) i would love to test it out
elitatwo
Zansha Expansion
#7 - 2016-10-31 16:35:06 UTC
b0bz3n Zateki wrote:
Hello and thanks for the answers!

i was told the omen wasnt good for combat sites. Is that the case or should i switch to another ship?


Don't listen to that. The Omen is a fine cruiser.

And by the way, I wrote a fitting guide here on this very page.

Eve Minions is recruiting.

This is the law of ship progression!

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Altair Taurus
#8 - 2016-10-31 16:49:33 UTC
If you have 200 mil ISK that's great! Buy Ishtar!
b0bz3n Zateki
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#9 - 2016-10-31 17:44:27 UTC
elitatwo wrote:
b0bz3n Zateki wrote:
Hello and thanks for the answers!

i was told the omen wasnt good for combat sites. Is that the case or should i switch to another ship?


Don't listen to that. The Omen is a fine cruiser.

And by the way, I wrote a fitting guide here on this very page.


Thanks!

Where is this guide you are talking about?? :)

also do you have any recommended fitting for the omen or should i try this one?

Medium Armor Repairer II
Damage Control II
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II

10MN Monopropellant Enduring Afterburner
Large Cap Battery II
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script

Quad Modulated Light Energy Beam I, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Quad Modulated Light Energy Beam I, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Quad Modulated Light Energy Beam I, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Quad Modulated Light Energy Beam I, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Core Probe Launcher I, Core Scanner Probe I

Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
Medium Energy Locus Coordinator I
Medium Energy Collision Accelerator I

Hobgoblin II x5
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#10 - 2016-10-31 19:22:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Zhilia Mann
If you like lasers and you have some cash to spend (and have the skills to support it) I really love the Confessor for high sec sites outside of Angel/Gurista space. 75mil all in:

[Confessor, sisters arc updated actually cheapish]
Small Armor Repairer II
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II
Adaptive Nano Plating II

5MN Microwarpdrive II
Tracking Computer II
Eutectic Compact Cap Recharger

Small Focused Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency S
Small Focused Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency S
Small Focused Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency S
Small Focused Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency S
Core Probe Launcher II, Core Scanner Probe I
[empty high slot]

Small Capacitor Control Circuit II
Small Capacitor Control Circuit II
Small Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer II

Requires some pretty tasty fitting skills, but man can it shred sites once it gets going.

Edit: the HVO is a quality of life thing and not critical to the fit. You could easily fit another rig there. Another CCC wouldn't be out of place but I'd look at a fitting rig if you need it. Putting an overclock in there allows a T2 cap recharger at least.
b0bz3n Zateki
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#11 - 2016-10-31 21:49:28 UTC  |  Edited by: b0bz3n Zateki
Zhilia Mann wrote:
If you like lasers and you have some cash to spend (and have the skills to support it) I really love the Confessor for high sec sites outside of Angel/Gurista space. 75mil all in:

[Confessor, sisters arc updated actually cheapish]
Small Armor Repairer II
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II
Adaptive Nano Plating II

5MN Microwarpdrive II
Tracking Computer II
Eutectic Compact Cap Recharger

Small Focused Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency S
Small Focused Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency S
Small Focused Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency S
Small Focused Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency S
Core Probe Launcher II, Core Scanner Probe I
[empty high slot]

Small Capacitor Control Circuit II
Small Capacitor Control Circuit II
Small Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer II

Requires some pretty tasty fitting skills, but man can it shred sites once it gets going.


Edit: the HVO is a quality of life thing and not critical to the fit. You could easily fit another rig there. Another CCC wouldn't be out of place but I'd look at a fitting rig if you need it. Putting an overclock in there allows a T2 cap recharger at least.



cant fly the confessor yet but would it be worth it to learn the skills for it?

So this will be able to do all high sec sites?

EDIT: would i be able to put quads instead of focused for more close combat?
Nam Dnilb
Universal Frog
#12 - 2016-11-01 02:56:55 UTC
b0bz3n Zateki wrote:
Zhilia Mann wrote:
If you like lasers and you have some cash to spend (and have the skills to support it) I really love the Confessor for high sec sites outside of Angel/Gurista space. 75mil all in:

[Confessor, sisters arc updated actually cheapish]
....

Requires some pretty tasty fitting skills, but man can it shred sites once it gets going.


Edit: the HVO is a quality of life thing and not critical to the fit. You could easily fit another rig there. Another CCC wouldn't be out of place but I'd look at a fitting rig if you need it. Putting an overclock in there allows a T2 cap recharger at least.



cant fly the confessor yet but would it be worth it to learn the skills for it?

So this will be able to do all high sec sites?

EDIT: would i be able to put quads instead of focused for more close combat?


Keep in mind the T3 destroyers will receive substantial balance changes within the next two weeks. You might want to read about those before committing training time. In general the fit is fine but somewhat weak in tank, so a beginner might struggle and go *poof*. You zip around and snipe with this and you need to zip into the correct position to be effective and safe.

For a beginner I'd lose a heat sink for better resists and fit an afterburner for better evasion.

Quads are cruiser sized guns, Confessor uses small guns.


erg cz
Federal Jegerouns
#13 - 2016-11-01 09:18:23 UTC
b0bz3n Zateki wrote:
Hello and thanks for the answers!

i was told the omen wasnt good for combat sites. Is that the case or should i switch to another ship?


If you do combat sites only in Amarr space you are fine with omen or navy omen. Else where you need Stratios. Cause it is the only drone boat, that got at least some bonuses for lasers. And drones are they way to go through combat sites if you need to adjust damage type to rat type. You can also do the same with missiles (Gila is missile / drone boat , so you see - drones again), but your current skills seems to not fit to that concept. Stratios is also bonused for scanning if you ever go into signatures, that has to be scanned first.
elitatwo
Zansha Expansion
#14 - 2016-11-01 10:02:22 UTC
b0bz3n Zateki wrote:
...Where is this guide you are talking about?? :)

also do you have any recommended fitting for the omen or should i try this one?


This forums section with the sticky threads.

Eve Minions is recruiting.

This is the law of ship progression!

Aura sound-clips: Aura forever

Robot Robot
Plate of Beans Incorporated
#15 - 2016-11-09 01:43:20 UTC
All right, I'm going to try to give a little clarity here, because people use all kinds of mixed-up terminology when talking about these sites, and also get caught in the trap of forgetting that you can do things in ships other than the single most optimized FOTM fit (Gila/Ishtar/Stratios for these kinds of sites these days).

I'm going to talk about Sansha sites, because those are the ones I run, but this pretty much all holds true for every pirate type, with minor changes in the naming conventions and few weird quirks here and there. Sansha sites are a great choice for you to run in your laser boat anyway, because they are weakest to EM/Thermal (as are Blood Raiders) and do EM/Thermal themselves, which are the damage types your Omen is best positioned to deal and resist.

Now, I'll say straight off that it IS possible to run every single high sec combat site (that they'll fit in, but more on that in a minute) in a well-fit Omen with decent skills. But if you're still learning as a player, and your character skills are still developing, the hardest high-sec sites will be very challenging if not outright impossible. I'll note the sites where a new player in a T1 Omen is not going to cut it, and talk about what ships you might want to use instead.

I'm NOT going to talk about the Confessor because, though it CAN run most or all of the sites, it is even less forgiving than the Omen and more expensive to lose. I AM however going to talk about other laser boats. There is no reason you need to follow the herd and use a drone boat for combat sites. I run them in turret ships (love my Vagabond for these sites) and it's great fun and plenty profitable.

First, let's talk about the types of sites. They fit into three categories, but people don't really agree on what to call them and thus get the categories mixed up all the time. I'm going to call them "Anomalies," "Unrated Signatures," and "DED Signatures."

Anomalies (or "Cosmic Anomalies") are the combat sites that you can see and warp to from the probe scanner (or by clicking the green diamonds in space, if you have that enabled) WITHOUT launching probes. Not that hidden belts are also technically "Cosmic Anomalies," but we're not talking about those here. When I say "Anomalies" in this post, I'm talking about only the warpable-without-probes anomalies that say "combat site" in the their type column.

Unrated Signatures and DED Signatures both DO have to be scanned down using probes. Until you do a probe scan, both Unrated Signatures and DED Signatures will appear simply as "Cosmic Signature" with a 0% scan strength. Once you get them to 25%, they will both say "combat site" in their type column, so you won't be able to differentiate them from each other until you get to 75% and see the actual name. Honestly, you could scan and run dozens of them without ever realizing that there was a distinction between Unrated Signatures and DED Signatures, but there are some important differences.

[continued...]
Robot Robot
Plate of Beans Incorporated
#16 - 2016-11-09 01:49:12 UTC
Anomalies

So the high-sec Sansha Anomalies are the Hideaway, the Burrow, the Refuge, and the Den, in ascending order of difficulty. Because there are no acceleration gates on any of these sites, you can run them in any sized ship you like. Your Omen will have absolutely no difficulty with any of them. Note that there is a difference between a Sansha Hideaway and a Sansha Forlorn Hideaway. Sites with modifier words like "Hidden," "Forsaken," and "Forlorn" can be quite a bit harder than the vanilla version of the same site, and can even be harder than a vanilla anomaly of the next step up. Your Omen will be still be able to handle them though.

There is a small chance (somewhere on the order of 5%) that any given Anomaly will either spawn a faction NPC or escalate (or both!) after you kill all the regular NPCs. If they escalate, they will escalate to a DED Signature, which you won't necessarily be able to run in your T1-fit Omen.

DED Signatures

As I said, if you scan down a high-sec cosmic signature of the "combat site" type in Sansha space, you need to look at its name to know if it's an Unrated Signature or a DED Signature. The high-sec DED signatures are Sansha Military Outpost, Sansha Acclimatization Facility, Sansha's Command Relay Outpost, and Sansha's Nation Occupied Mining Colony (in order of difficulty).

DED Signatures are all behind acceleration gates with ship size limits, so you literally CAN'T run all of them in an Omen. The Sansha Military Outpost only allows frigate sized ships in, and the Acclimatization Factory only lets frigate/destroyer sized ships in. A Retribution can do both easily. A Slicer or even a Tormentor could also do both, but you'll need to be a little more careful in the Acclimatization factory with them. A lot of people just skip the frigate and destroyer sized sites, but it's easy to keep a dedicated Retribution or Slicer sitting around for them, they're fast to run, and you can sometimes get very lucky with the loot.

The Command Relay Outpost can definitely be run in a T1-fit Omen. For the Occupied Mining Colony, I'd recommend shipping up to a Harbinger for the first couple of times, until you understand how to blitz it, at which point you can go back to the Omen.

Unrated Signatures

The Unrated Signatures in Sansha high-sec are the Hideout, the Lookout, the Watch, and the Vigil (in increasing order of difficulty). The Hideout will only let Frigate/Destroyer hulls in, so break out that Retribution/Slicer again (or skip it, the average payout is quite a bit less than in the DED Signatures that limit you to small ships). Your Omen will have no problem running the Lookout. As for the Watch, you'll be fine as long as you blitz the second room.

The Vigil is a different beast. It's very blitzable, but you're going to need to deal with spider drones in the second room, and your lasers won't be able to hit them. If you have good drone skills, a flight of Acolyte IIs from from your Omen's drone bay should be
able to kill them before you pop, but you probably want to switch to either a Harbinger or even a brick-tanked Maller for your first attempt.


And that's that! Have fun running combat sites in your Omen and don't let anybody tell you not to. Later, upgrade to a Navy Omen and then a Phantasm. Pew pew!