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Unconscionable Desecration

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Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#21 - 2016-11-01 18:14:39 UTC
An upgrade from the model thorax?
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#22 - 2016-11-01 21:12:20 UTC
Matar Ronin wrote:

These are the undisputed facts, diana kim you lacked the courage to fight me, a regular industrialist. Explain that.

That's too much of tears from such a terrible liar like you. Though I don't think word liar could be applicable to you.
In another discussion for several pages you dared to call me to fight, I told you I would, and you kept spewing similar.... delusions over and over again.

You need a medical help.

Well, maybe someone from IGS would find a better word to describe phenomenon of this Matar Ronin? In short, his behavior was looking like this:

Matar Ronin: - Fight me!
Cmdr. Kim: - Okay.
Matar Ronin: - You coward, you don't fight me!

Maybe it is an intrinsic brain behavior of minmatar people? That could explain why they still attacking Amarr Empire for what they did 800 years ago, unable to realize that everyone who lived back then is long ago dead.

I can make just one conclusion: diplomatic and civilized talk with tribals is a waste of time. Dear defenders of Amarr Empire. Raise your guns and fight this menace until it is no more. Together we will defeat this inconvenience.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Mengyao Chemineau
Sanxing Yi
#23 - 2016-11-02 09:51:48 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Maybe it is an intrinsic brain behavior of minmatar people?

Is it an intrinsic brain behavior of capsuleers named Diana Kim to make sweeping generalizations about trillions based on a sample size of one (1)?
Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
EDENCOM DEFENSIVE INITIATIVE
#24 - 2016-11-02 10:03:40 UTC
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#25 - 2016-11-02 12:30:57 UTC
Mengyao Chemineau wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:
Maybe it is an intrinsic brain behavior of minmatar people?

Is it an intrinsic brain behavior of capsuleers named Diana Kim to make sweeping generalizations about trillions based on a sample size of one (1)?

When you have a bag of apples, you draw a random one and it appears to be rotten it is valid to say that it was the bag of rotten apples. And I am generally not interested in digging in the rot to find a fresh apple there.

But if you would like to prove me wrong - go ahead and present the apple itself instead of primitive ad hominem attack. You know, such approach simply shows that you have nothing valuable to object my point of view with, which only strengthens my initial statement (which was, actually, just a guess in which I myself wasn't certain, but with your reaction now I am getting more convinced in that point of view).

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Merchant Rova
Tidal Lock
Vapor-Lock
#26 - 2016-11-02 13:44:41 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
(which was, actually, just a guess in which I myself wasn't certain, but with your reaction now I am getting more convinced in that point of view).

You and I both know you'll never change your insane mindset regardless of what facts people present

RIP Merchant Rova's cheekbones, YC118-YC119. Forever in our hearts.
Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#27 - 2016-11-02 14:23:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Aria Jenneth
Nana Skalski wrote:
Its just a ship, stop being Amarr about everything.


Amarrian ships are a little more than just ships, to the Amarr. You can think of them (the big ones, especially) sort of as flying cathedrals. They're tools of God's work; seeing such things taken and corrupted by the likes of Bloody Omir ... well, for most designs, at least it's nothing new.

This, though....

For the Amarr, opposing the Sani is a matter of ongoing civic and religious duty dating back all the way to the Moral Reforms (so, thousands of years). It's like a civil war, but asymmetric and maybe kind of sporadic-- a violent fight against a political and religious faction (or family of factions) that just will not stay dead. I've seen enough of this conflict up close to have a sense how brutally personal it can be.

Holy Mother Amalath is also particularly dedicated to the late Empress, so there's that sort of personal element here as well.
Vollhov Jr
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#28 - 2016-11-02 14:38:56 UTC
Aria Jenneth wrote:
Nana Skalski wrote:
Its just a ship, stop being Amarr about everything.


Amarrian ships are a little more than just ships, to the Amarr. You can think of them (the big ones, especially) sort of as flying cathedrals. They're tools of God's work.


Amarrian station is also the work of God.
But when the citadel called Temples. This disrespect for Amarr culture as the Citadel is not the creation of God. Appearance does not meet the the culture.

The Apostles are depicted drifters (killer) and the death of the Empress.
The one who coined the design, he does not respect the Empress Jamyl Sarum.
Monuments should symbolize great ruler deeds in life.

The apostle had already been desecrated disrespect on the part of the Designer. CryCry

Eve Online Gallery/Final Journey/My older brother

Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#29 - 2016-11-02 15:30:41 UTC
Vollhov Jr wrote:
Aria Jenneth wrote:
Nana Skalski wrote:
Its just a ship, stop being Amarr about everything.


Amarrian ships are a little more than just ships, to the Amarr. You can think of them (the big ones, especially) sort of as flying cathedrals. They're tools of God's work.


Amarrian station is also the work of God.
But when the citadel called Temples. This disrespect for Amarr culture as the Citadel is not the creation of God. Appearance does not meet the the culture.

The Apostles are depicted drifters (killer) and the death of the Empress.
The one who coined the design, he does not respect the Empress Jamyl Sarum.
Monuments should symbolize great ruler deeds in life.

The apostle had already been desecrated disrespect on the part of the Designer. CryCry


... so, yes. As you see, Ms. Skalski, this isn't "just" about "a ship."
Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
EDENCOM DEFENSIVE INITIATIVE
#30 - 2016-11-02 17:10:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Nana Skalski
For me it is. A man made structure that is like a sword and shield and lacks any unnatural properties. Stating it have some sacred value is overstating for me, as an engineer. Their "godly" value doesnt surpass the designer - human - abilities to make something work. Emotional reaction when someone would "desecrate" it because he painted it different colours or modified armor or shields is like crying about someone sitting one time in your chair because he could have farted.

This is from me as an angineer.

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Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#31 - 2016-11-02 17:16:25 UTC
Merchant Rova wrote:

You and I both know you'll never change your insane mindset regardless of what facts people present

Ah, Mr. Rova. You have appeared right in time, exactly when I was pointing out that to participate in the conversation one shall bring arguments for or against the point instead of pathetic ad hominem attacks.

Also thank you for displaying a typical behavior of a gallentean supporter, and why I consider that diplomatic approach with Federation will never work, if gallentean supporters participate in discussions in the manner you do.

Though I knew already about your particular mindset from our... well, I wouldn't call it really "conversation" from NeoCom channel "Intergalactic Summit", in any way, thank you for displaying your pro-gallentean manner of "discussion" on the forums as well.

I hope we'll meet on the frontlines, I am eager to see what you can do in space besides your rants on forum and NeoCom channels.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Nick Bete
Highsec Haulers Inc.
#32 - 2016-11-02 17:21:55 UTC
Crawl back under the rock you slithered from Kim and take your sock puppets with you.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#33 - 2016-11-02 17:28:32 UTC
Nick Bete wrote:
Crawl back under the rock you slithered from Kim and take your sock puppets with you.

Thank you for confirming my stated previously point of view on credibility of gallentean supporters.


Oh, and no. I am not going away. I'll keep pestering you with truth and with facts, countering your lies and propaganda. I'll keep fighting gallentean occupants, killing gallentean oppressors and repelling gallentean invaders....

as Mantel would say now, "Until there is no Gallente on Caldari Prime".

I wish you to have a nice jam! (Mmm, with magnetometric flavor)

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Merchant Rova
Tidal Lock
Vapor-Lock
#34 - 2016-11-02 17:31:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Merchant Rova
Diana Kim wrote:
I hope we'll meet on the frontlines, I am eager to see what you can do in space besides your rants on forum and NeoCom channels.

[OOC: Removed URL did not know it was against rules here]

RIP Merchant Rova's cheekbones, YC118-YC119. Forever in our hearts.
Vollhov Jr
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#35 - 2016-11-02 17:33:27 UTC
Aria Jenneth wrote:

... so, yes. As you see, Ms. Skalski, this isn't "just" about "a ship."


Absolutely.
My brother feared that Apostal will be desecrated, and it happened.
That is why the monument is needed in orbit Amarr Prime, not the ship.

Eve Online Gallery/Final Journey/My older brother

Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#36 - 2016-11-02 17:37:20 UTC
Out of curiosity, is it a desecration that some of us use slicers, augs ect to kill members of the 24ic?
Aldrith Shutaq
Atash e Sarum Vanguard
#37 - 2016-11-02 17:43:36 UTC
Whatever it is, it's not going to keep us from blowing them out of the stars.

Aldrith Ter'neth Shutaq Newelle

Fleet Captain of the Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris

Divine Commodore of the 24th Imperial Crusade

Lord Consort of Lady Mitara Newelle, Champion of House Sarum and Holder of Damnidios Para'nashu
Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#38 - 2016-11-02 17:48:23 UTC
I only ask because I would think the act of dropping an archon or whatever "temple of God" status ship on your believers would be more of a desecration than simply applying a nano coating to the hull of the ship. That points probably been brought up but it seems a little off that looks are more important than actions.
Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#39 - 2016-11-02 19:09:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Aria Jenneth
Deitra Vess wrote:
I only ask because I would think the act of dropping an archon or whatever "temple of God" status ship on your believers would be more of a desecration than simply applying a nano coating to the hull of the ship. That points probably been brought up but it seems a little off that looks are more important than actions.


So, Ms. Vess?

However much you might hate the Amarrian religion, however much you might want to see the Empire destroyed, even if your passion surpasses that of Bloody Omir and all his followers combined, you still wouldn't be able to achieve the same kind of desecration they're talking about.

That's because you're like me: a nonbeliever. A heathen. Whatever either of us do (if I even wanted to, which I don't, so, hypothetical), we can't really hurt the Amarr this way because we're not of them in the same way the Sani are.

It's the difference between a stranger stripping off your mother's face with a knife and wearing it for a mask ... and when the person who does that, is your sister.
Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#40 - 2016-11-02 19:28:04 UTC
Hmm, I suppose that makes sense. I would still think however the temple is still a temple no matter the outward appearance and the inhabitants would be the one desecrating it. Performance art is all well and good as long as it's not dancing in the audience's blood after all. It's the action that makes it horrendous, not the waltz itself.
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