EVE General Discussion

I can link an article on forum warriors resorting to grammah nazism. However just incase you're lacking a chromosome I'll correct for you "speed, agility, pings".

Pings are bookmarks around a station or gate so you can warp all around the grid easily.

The Dual MWD trick was back in 2005, you could fit 2 MWDs on a ship and go a bajillion m/s, it is gone 11 years. I guess he's referencing dual prop ships these days AB / MWD which are pretty common. Back in the day scrams didn't shut down your mwd so everyone fit a mwd / long point / web (webs were 90% strength)

With hundreds of ship types in the game, there is just no way to balance them in a way that every ship is "best" at something under some circumstance. With so many ships, some will just be plain better than others. And obviously the ships that need much more skill and are much more expensive, should also be the ones that are better.

CCP turned this upside-down for a while with the tiericide move, where t1 rebalancing made it almost useless to spend the exponential sums on t2, t3 or faction when t1 was almost as good or in some cases better. This state of affairs was unsustainable, and I assume it was always meant to be transitory, to lure a lot of newbies into the game. Then, after the rebalancing of t2 and faction hulls, things returned to normal: The much more expensive ships are also clearly better again. This is how it has to be. Even the number of just t2 and faction hulls is already so large that some of them necessarily suck. No room there for cheap t1 hulls to outshine their expensive siblings.

And let's not use real-word analogies about rich and poor here. In EVE, nobody has to be poor. Just learn how to make ISK effectively and stop being poor. Unlike in the real world, it's easy in EVE.

yay! kestrel represent =D

(is happy kestrel isn't in last place)

Not entirely certain how correct the OP is in the perceptions given.

I see T1 ships everywhere. They have their place, in the fields, in solo and fleet combat.

They are very popular among low SP pilots and skilled ones are still very dangerous.

Cost of ship vs lethality comparisons have T1 ships doing very well in fit ups which is why they tend to be used in disposable scenarios.

So, T3 are very blingy but you pay for it. T3 also makes you a giant target.

If you are a solo pilot and in some blingy T3, you are begging to be attacked or baited.

The backbone of most fleets I've been in have been T1 ships or cheaper T2 fits. T3's are used in supplemental or specialized roles where the pilots are willing to lose the ships because they are so targetable.

So, I think the OP is seeing T3 either in 'safe' areas like HiSec where they are showboats, or in transit to other things.

I love my T1-T2 ships, they are fun to fly and pretty care free. The T1's, it dies, so what? T2 not many tears either... T3... ouch.

I see you moved up to an Astero :) https://zkillboard.com/kill/56904510/

Was kinda funny, yesterday I visited these forums (a rather occasional activity for me) and saw your thread, now you suddenly are on my d-scan in this backwater c3, running 'my' relic site I was about to start doing.

Sorry that I didn't use a t1 ship to kill you, but it is kind of necessary to use a dictor to have any chance of catching a stabbed Astero :p

Nah, I just found it funny that I encountered you in game, in a place where that is really quite unlikely (c3 with nullsec static), right after reading your post on the forums.

But you seriously need to learn more about the game instead of just failing at it and then complain how evil the game is. Your losses are almost all easily avoidable. Of course guys from Negative Ten will kill you when you let them, they are already -10 outlaws so there is no cost whatsoever for doing that, and they won't spare you just because you are in a worthless ship.

Don't ever assume that people need a reason to kill you, they will do it if they can and not lose an unreasonable amount of ISK doing it. That is what most people play this game for. I myself was killed and podded in hisec by CODE a few days ago, in a Helios carrying nothing. They just do it because they can, and I don't blame them. My fault for flying on autopilot in hisec when I could and should have flown actively and use my cloak.

Your least avoidable loss frankly was the one against me, you just had bad luck that I was already cloaked in the system when you came in and had the site scanned, so no chance for you to see me probing you down. You basically only had those ~5 seconds when my Heretic was warping in, but I had timed it for when you had just started hacking a new container, and I know that it's almost impossible to play the hacking game and watch dscan properly at the same time. Although I wouldn't bet on you using dscan much at all...?


Actually, it was a T2 destroyer, killing a T2 exploration ship, and my ship cost less than yours :p


I would even send you a donation, but believe it or not, I'm completely broke at the moment after not doing any PvE for a year and just draining my savings


And there you discovered another thing relevant to your thread here: All those evil people chasing you in their blingy t2 ships pay a price for that. Because in addition to being much more expensive to buy, insuring t2 ships is completely useless. While from t1 ships you get back a substantial portion of your investment after being killed.

That was the mistake. Just looking at the overview is not enough because of how quickly interdictors come out of warp. They can also drop a bubble immediately without targeting you first. You have to be already in warp (or at least cloaked) when the interdictor hits the grid.

Now this may sound to you like you had no chance at all, but that's not quite true. In fact, the Astero is almost uncatchable if flown right, and most of the time in such situations my gank attempts fail because the Astero cloaks or warps before I even enter the grid. The interdictor cannot warp cloaked (unlike your Astero), so you can see it on dscan while it is warping to you. The time window is rather short, but if you hit dscan at least every 5 seconds, which is not unreasonable, you will see it early enough to escape.

Actually my first description of events was not quite accurate; I found you in the site while piloting a scanning frigate, so I had to warp back to the pos first, change to the Heretic and warp back to you, all in dscan range of your position. Changing ship and warping back to you took me probably about 20 seconds. So if you had used dscan at all, you would have escaped. If you want to be active in low sec or nullsec, you really have to use dscan a lot.

You are talking serious pro tactics here, whether you know it or not. Most people could not have pulled that off (what you described) - and certainly not a noob. And dscan is not understandable or usable for most people. Pros, sure. Anyone else, no.

There was no 'mistake' per se. You raped a noob because you totally had him outclassed in both hardware and everything else. Everyone else does the same - they take fights they know they will win (mostly the kind where the other guy can't even shoot back), and don't take fights they will lose. I have slightly more respect for you and what you did though, because 1) at least you didn't need a gang of people backing you up to beat 1 defenseless noob (although I'm sure you're guilty of it), and 2) at least there was monetary profit in it for you, although if you had just left me alone I would have gotten the hell out of there and let you have the site anyway.

My time window was when you hit my grid. This would have been the same time window in high-sec or low-sec.

And by the way, if you were serious about sending me a donation if you only had the ISK, you made off with 50mil worth of my goodies from my cargo hold. You know my screenname in game, although I'm not holding my breath by any means.

The details may be slightly advanced, but what you need to know to not get killed as often is very simple: Click dscan, all the time, and as soon as you see anything dangerous, GTFO.

Also, if you just care about losing less than you earn, and don't mind stacking up the loss mails, I'd advise that you use t1 scanning frigs like the Magnate for exploration. Your chances to escape when attacked are much lower, but your loss will be just 2 million or so (plus your cargo ofc). And as you apparently don't use implants, the lost pod doesn't really matter.

Personally I'd stick with the Astero, though, because I dislike being farmed for kills. If you learn to use dscan and take good care, you will not die very often flying an Astero.

(I may see if I have some ISK to spare when I have a chance to log in :p)

edit: Just saw your edit:


Now that is just nonsense. You obviously have no idea about dscan and imagine it as something much more complex than it is. Basic usage of dscan means just pressing one key and watch a UI window. There is nothing hard about this, really. Just google some wiki guide about it and try it, you will see. (Using dscan to hunt other people down without dropping probes is much more advanced.)