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Holy ****, I swear it's actually impossible for EVE players to like an upcoming change. Mack, stfu. If you want a decent answer maybe you should consider writing a well-worded and perhaps slightly less aggressive post.

As for the actual topic... I like the concept of the changes. It's been a while since I owned or flew a titan so I'm not so sure of how it'll affect the 'current meta' but I think the core concept, the mechanic itself, is good. Few things:

- Perhaps the fuel usage is going overboard? Titans have to fit a shitload of mods in the cargo to swap between different guns, different doomsdays, different fits, etc. You're eating a huge chunk more having to fit that much fuel.

- I like the idea of negative and positive debuffs (i.e. you're fighting a Nightmare fleet in something that deals EM damage, you can basically create a resist hole to shoot into) but I'm not sure about the last effect of each module. There are a hell of a lot of potential options for effects, plenty more I'd like to see, like possibly tracking bonuses, range bonuses... I don't agree with the fourth minnie bonus however, why should there be no option for projectiles/missiles? Maybe make each one have a debuff to their 'primary enemy' while buffing their own weapon systems (e.g, minmatar reduces laser optimal by 25% and increases projectile falloff by 20%, or something)

- Locking it to a specific titan is maybe not as good as enticing someone to fit the right one to their titan? So you can fit any of them to a Levi, for example, but the bonus is significantly more worthwhile if you fit the Caldari one.

- The gallente and caldari phenomena currently get significantly better bonuses than the other two. Unless you've specifically designed your fleet to be fast and hard to hit, there's no use for the Minmatar one, and the Amarr one is basically a joke. The Gallente and Caldari will be the primary choices for almost everyone because why would you take anything else over a big shield/armour amount buff?

I think there are a few factors that need to be taken into consideration, and realistically the actual bonuses need to be changed before they get implemented to be reasonable. However, as I said I do really like the concept itself.

The rest of you salty shitlords need to go find something better to do than whinge without any reasoning. Just saying 'Waaah I don't like it!' doesn't do you any favours and doesn't add to the discussion.

I'm not really opposed to these changes, but I guess I don't really see the point in adding these modules. At least as it is currently planned. The Titan has to be on grid to use these modules. The effect goes away if there is a session change. So, unless you have a large enough Supercapital fleet that you can afford to put Titans on grid to support subcapital fleets, you won't ever get the benefit of this module.

And if you have that many Supercapitals, why do you care about buffing and debuffing the subcapitals? You've already guaranteed that you cannot lose the fight. All this module does is basically give someone who has already won the fight another way to drag their metaphorical nuts across the loser's face. I guess that's the point?

So, for anyone without Supercapital superiority, the bonus has to be really extreme to put a Titan on grid, but these bonuses seem kind of underwhelming in a typical fight. And if you buff the effect more, then you make it even more oppressive if one side can use Titans with impunity and the other side cannot. In that case, you just make it even more overwhelming in a situation where one side has already lost.

Additionally, as a Titan owner, I'm getting really sick of adding new modules to the refit pack, on the off chance that I ever get to use the damn thing for anything other than bridging. Is it possible that you could combine some of the hardpoints on the Titan to allow us to be combat fit and use more than one of these snazzy new modules at a time? Not everyone has so many Titans available that they can specialize them within a given fleet.

Since remirroring would be a giant pain, could you seed / redeem titans and skill injectors please? some of us are in that fun window where we have the stuff on TQ, but are a month or so behind on getting it on SISI. Makes it hard to theorycraft and test when you don't have the ship :)

I raised this point at some stage as well. These are not going to bring guys on field with titans outside of the supercap powerhouses. There's not really a feasible asset anyone with a small to medium sized group (hell, even a large one) is going to contest where bringing in a titan to pop this effect is ever worth that level of risk.

Now it is about at this point someone says "small entities, lol titans", however FT's point is correct. The people who are going to use these are only the groups who have massive superiority already.

I cannot envisage a situation where anyone not possessing substantial supercap superiority will use these and coupled with the current meta - that sufficient titans and supers will utterly decimate a subcap fleet without needing any subcap support if their own - it's not as if said powerhouses are shy about throwing these down on grid already. I mean, unless you're all planning a good sized HAW nerf some time this year at least.

Oh, lordy. Had no idea you played MtG.

Random thought

This makes Titans the new Bard class. Singing a song(buff/debug) for the grid to hear.


Who would ever think the bard being the most uber class in the game.

That's some overwhelming penalties...

Isn't it like %100 that big tidifest fights involving capitals are gonna happen under all 4 of these effects all the time? Is there a countering mechanic here really? If you got shield doctrines you go shield buffs, if you got armor you go armor buffs. If anything it restricts doctrines which does not benefit from one of these effects.

Let's say a fleet X needs both cap and velocity. It is now severely disadvantaged in capital fights. Everyone will be forced to use the effect which benefits their own side, except if you are fleet X no matter you do the effect or not the effects will be neutral,, which already puts your fleet to the disadvantage vs a fleet which benefits from these specific changes. I don't see a mechanic of interesting play and counterplay here. I see some fleets being discriminated out of meta and people using the others which won't, while everyone doing their own effect, in the end just end up in assumption that all 4 effects will be present in titan tidifests all the time. In the end all fleets will have %30 more hp, %5 less resists, less application for missiles and guns, less ability to remote rep and %10 less speed, and fleets which do not benefit on the plus side from all these changes will be discriminated for no reason

And that Minmatar bonus is just another reason to not bring bombers to big fights at all. People underestimate how a big factor sig radius is in general so I wonder the basis of equilaventing -%30 sig radius to +%30 cap recharge. I hope but fear its because it is the same number lol.

DICKS, -%30 sig for all ships at big titan fights. Just remove bombers from the game already.

Protip: If you want interesting play and counterplay design the effects so they neutralize each other once every 4 race is applied. Atm it seriously does not.

The bonuses do not line up at all with every single other ship in each faction.

Note that in order to do the following you will have to adjust the numbers on some of the titans so that the Avatar doesn't have insane EHP and that Erebus has a little bit better armor tank and the Ragnarok has a little bit better shield tank, due to the - remote rep debuff. Leaving them with the wonky bonuses you have proposed doesn't make any sense.

Amarr:
+30% armor hitpoints
+10% kinetic resists
-15% EM resists
-10% all missles velocity

Caldari
+30% shield hitpoints
+10% EM resists
-15% kinetic resists
-10% all turrets optimal range

Gallente
+30% cap recharge rate
+10% explosive resists
-15% thermal resists
-10% remote shield booster effectiveness

Minmatar
-30% signature radius
+10% thermal resists
-15% explosive resists
-10% remote armor repairer effectiveness

At least take the time to make the bonuses match each races design.