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What is the current status of high-sec ganking?

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Loutro Fift
Hoplite Brigade
Ushra'Khan
#41 - 2016-10-26 02:57:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Loutro Fift
But I have no align time...that doesn't help?
Captain Dingles
Perkone
Caldari State
#42 - 2016-10-26 03:19:15 UTC
I don't see what the big deal is...every week or so i haul about 900 mil in explorer loot in my explo raptor from 0.0 to jita. I just don't care. Fastest rout possible if i don't feel like messin with therra. Low sec? Don't care. Its even better if there are campers to insult.
Come and get me ;)
Chopper Rollins
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#43 - 2016-10-26 03:37:18 UTC
Captain Dingles wrote:
I don't see what the big deal is...every week or so i haul about 900 mil in explorer loot in my explo raptor from 0.0 to jita. I just don't care. Fastest rout possible if i don't feel like messin with therra. Low sec? Don't care. Its even better if there are campers to insult.
Come and get me ;)


This is what smartbomb Rokhs are for.


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Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#44 - 2016-10-26 04:43:14 UTC
Loutro Fift wrote:
But I have no align time...that doesn't help?


You do have align time, you just aren't aware of it. Align time is everything from when you click "warp" to when the speed bar reaches 75% and then drops to zero, at which point you are actually in warp.
SurrenderMonkey
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#45 - 2016-10-26 05:26:04 UTC
Loutro Fift wrote:
But I have no align time...that doesn't help?



Nope. You're misunderstanding how aligning works. If you're starting from a complete standstill, as after a gate jump, your align time is identical no matter what direction you're going in. Your bookmarks are doing nothing for you.

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Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite
The Conference
#46 - 2016-10-26 05:51:42 UTC
JPC2501 wrote:

Is there anyway to defend against this?

If you transport goods in New Order sovereign space (formerly known as Highsec), a mining permit is required and goes a long way keeping your cargo save. They can be acquired for only 10mil ISK per year from your local New Order Agent.

Looking forward to your permit request
xXuber-NitsheXx
#47 - 2016-10-26 06:39:20 UTC

Nope, still can't remember Jimmy513's crews name, just not a thang anymore...

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Geronimo McVain
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#48 - 2016-10-26 08:00:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Geronimo McVain
I do it this way:
fill the lows with as much warp Stabies as you can.
put a cloak and an MWD on, arrange cloak and MWD in the hud (F1 and F2)
MWD Trick and be gone.
Remember: they have scouts so little break (at a planet/station) right before going through Udema is messing it up for them too.

This way the gankers have very little time to point you and he/they has/have to land a lot of points. Not likely. If you do the MWD right you have IMHO two secs to go into warp which is enough. 1 sec to target you (after you came out of cloak), 1 for the point to hit. When the point would hit you should be in warp.
Once someone got lucky, or I was careless, and landed a point and I just waved him goodby while Concord had a little talk to him. Thanks stabies.
Robot Robot
Plate of Beans Incorporated
#49 - 2016-10-26 10:53:19 UTC
Loutro Fift wrote:
But I have no align time...that doesn't help?


The way your ship is "pointed" is purely a graphical thing, it's not represented in game mechanics at all.

So think of your ship as a perfectly spherical marble. When it's moving, it has momentum in a direction, and the game's graphics engine does it's best to keep the picture of the ship pointed in the direction of the marble's momentum. But when the marble is stopped, it can start rolling in any direction equally quickly. If you decide to start rolling that marble "backwards" relative to the way the ship appears to be pointed, that's just fine. The resulting graphics of your ship turning around is just an animation happening inside the marble. So you can get to warp speed in the same amount of time regardless of direction.

Now if the marble is moving already and you want to warp, that's a different story. your ship is still a marble, but it has momentum and direction (which the game will be attempting to closely follow with the graphics). If you want to warp "backwards" now, your ship has to first counteract its forward momentum before it can start warping the other way, and that takes time.

This is why insta-undocks on stations are important. Your marble rolls out of the station already at speed to enter warp. So if you warp in that direction, it is instantaneous. But if you try to warp in a different direction, it can actually take longer than it would have from a standstill.
Gadget Helmsdottir
Gadget's Workshop
#50 - 2016-10-26 12:41:37 UTC
Ima Wreckyou wrote:
JPC2501 wrote:

Is there anyway to defend against this?

If you transport goods in New Order sovereign space (formerly known as Highsec), a mining permit is required and goes a long way keeping your cargo save. They can be acquired for only 10mil ISK per year from your local New Order Agent.

Looking forward to your permit request


Seriously... time to do a bit of rebranding on your branching out.

Why sell just a Mining permit to cover everything, when you can sell mining and Innocent Passage permits.

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Work smarter, not harder. --Scrooge McDuck, an eminent old-Earth economist

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Major Trant
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#51 - 2016-10-26 14:13:34 UTC
Geronimo McVain wrote:
I do it this way:
fill the lows with as much warp Stabies as you can.
put a cloak and an MWD on, arrange cloak and MWD in the hud (F1 and F2)
MWD Trick and be gone.
Remember: they have scouts so little break (at a planet/station) right before going through Udema is messing it up for them too.

This way the gankers have very little time to point you and he/they has/have to land a lot of points. Not likely. If you do the MWD right you have IMHO two secs to go into warp which is enough. 1 sec to target you (after you came out of cloak), 1 for the point to hit. When the point would hit you should be in warp.
Once someone got lucky, or I was careless, and landed a point and I just waved him goodby while Concord had a little talk to him. Thanks stabies.

You can't get a Medium MWD on a T1 hauler. Filling the lows with Warp Stabies isn't going to do a lot for you in high sec either as in most case you will be dead before you can go to warp and they will conflict with the need for cargohold mods.

The best you can do is sacrifice one low for a DC II, put the best shield tank in the mids and then keep your cargo low value.

@ OP: I guess you tried to learn from your 239M Tayra loss in 2010. At least you tried a few T1 tanking modules this time. But really anything over 50M being hauled by something that can be killed by a single 19M Vexor is asking for trouble. As a rule of thumb, half the mods/cargo drops, that includes both the ganked and ganker. So the ganker would have reckoned to get 8M + 78M - 19M (outlay) for an estimated profit of 67M and a leet Killmail. In reality, he got 4M from his Vexor, but only 1M of your cargo and mods, so a net loss of 14M and a sec hit. That is a terrible loot fairy result, but is still peanuts and may even be subsidised by his corp. Small wonder that gankers are still thriving.
Lasisha Mishi
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#52 - 2016-10-26 14:13:36 UTC
Ima Wreckyou wrote:
JPC2501 wrote:

Is there anyway to defend against this?

If you transport goods in New Order sovereign space (formerly known as Highsec), a mining permit is required and goes a long way keeping your cargo save. They can be acquired for only 10mil ISK per year from your local New Order Agent.

Looking forward to your permit request

heres my permit request
*puts the skull of the last code ganker to try to gank me in front of you*

see? i carved him up all nice and pretty after he interrupted my peaceful day with his delusions.





for the record, permits are worth crap. code will try to gank ya anyway. i say try, cause they 0/3 on me so far. (and thats just my endurance miner)

keep a microwarp drive on and some ecm drones, and at least a 6k eff hp tank. and they pretty worthless in the PvP department.
thats what happens when you spend your entire pvp life picking on people who don't fight back. you begin to suck vs someone actually prepared to fight back.

oh btw, low sec says hi. when your balls drop. come play with us.
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#53 - 2016-10-26 15:12:45 UTC
"What is the current status of high-sec ganking?"

Don't know, I spend my play time somewhere in the 84% of New Eden that isn't high sec, where 'ganking' isn't really a thing, and where you don['t get punished for defending yourself.
Algarion Getz
Aideron Corp
#54 - 2016-10-26 15:54:21 UTC
JPC2501 wrote:

Hi I’ve been away for a few years and just recently returned.
I’m wondering how the game has evolved pertaining towards high-sec ganking.

I just got killed in a Tayra transport. I was not AKF, I was manually jumping and was popped pretty much instantly.
The cargo wasn’t even that valuable, about 150mil.

Is there anyway to defend against this?

Dont undock in an untanked T1 hauler with 150mil cargo.
Suicide ganking ships are dirt cheap. So cheap that gankers sometimes even attack empty freighters. Just for fun.

Fit your hauler for fast align time and tank, when you have an alt use him for scouting and avoid notorious ganking systems like Uedama and Niajara.
SurrenderMonkey
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#55 - 2016-10-26 16:00:16 UTC  |  Edited by: SurrenderMonkey
Major Trant wrote:

You can't get a Medium MWD on a T1 hauler.


lolwut?

Putting a 50MN on the tankier line of T1 haulers is entirely trivial, and is fairly easy to do with a fitting mod or two on the cargo-oriented ones.

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Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
EDENCOM DEFENSIVE INITIATIVE
#56 - 2016-10-26 16:31:50 UTC
Mara Rinn wrote:
Loutro Fift wrote:
But I have no align time...that doesn't help?


You do have align time, you just aren't aware of it. Align time is everything from when you click "warp" to when the speed bar reaches 75% and then drops to zero, at which point you are actually in warp.

You can see align time in new fitting window that they are testing on test server.
Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite
The Conference
#57 - 2016-10-26 16:39:01 UTC
Lasisha Mishi wrote:
for the record, permits are worth crap. code will try to gank ya anyway.

Lies like this are the reason so many miners are still dying. Their blood is literally on your hands.
Lasisha Mishi
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#58 - 2016-10-26 17:17:38 UTC
Ima Wreckyou wrote:
Lasisha Mishi wrote:
for the record, permits are worth crap. code will try to gank ya anyway.

Lies like this are the reason so many miners are still dying. Their blood is literally on your hands.


no, their blood is in your hands for killing them after they paid cause your permit only counts "for the code representative you paid" "if we recognize you" "in the specific ship you were in" and "in the specific system"

theres alot more technicalities you pull out of your ass at will. but in the end it all comes down to this. pay for the permit is a scam, cause they use any loophole to get around it. or just flat out ignore it.

so you'll get ganked anyway, but if you pay for the permit you get ganked for your ship +10mill




Galaxy Duck
Galaxy Farm Carebear Repurposing
#59 - 2016-10-26 17:43:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Galaxy Duck
Lasisha Mishi wrote:
Ima Wreckyou wrote:
Lasisha Mishi wrote:
for the record, permits are worth crap. code will try to gank ya anyway.

Lies like this are the reason so many miners are still dying. Their blood is literally on your hands.


no, their blood is in your hands for killing them after they paid cause your permit only counts "for the code representative you paid" "if we recognize you" "in the specific ship you were in" and "in the specific system"

theres alot more technicalities you pull out of your ass at will. but in the end it all comes down to this. pay for the permit is a scam, cause they use any loophole to get around it. or just flat out ignore it.

so you'll get ganked anyway, but if you pay for the permit you get ganked for your ship +10mill



Whom are you quoting here? Can you link any sources for these egregious allegations?

No? So you made those quotes up out of whole cloth? Figured...

The truth is, New Order permits are in fact honored, it's just that highsec carebears are terrible at following the few simple rules that everyone else in the game routinely adhere to.
Captain Dingles
Perkone
Caldari State
#60 - 2016-10-26 17:47:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Captain Dingles
Chopper Rollins wrote:
Captain Dingles wrote:
I don't see what the big deal is...every week or so i haul about 900 mil in explorer loot in my explo raptor from 0.0 to jita. I just don't care. Fastest rout possible if i don't feel like messin with therra. Low sec? Don't care. Its even better if there are campers to insult.
Come and get me ;)


This is what smartbomb Rokhs are for.




Yup that happened to me once so i do take the precaution of not going gate to gate when i i got dudes in system.
Well at least in low or 0/0].