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Kuronaga
The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc.
The Chicken Coop
#1 - 2011-12-23 03:17:50 UTC
http://www.dust514.com/en/news/?article=2041

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Text chat is of course supported too. The PS3 supports standard USB and Bluetooth keyboards right out of the box and so we don’t think it’s unreasonable to expect that players will grab their PC’s keyboard for use in DUST 514. Believe me, it’s far easier than trying to use a software keyboard to keep up in a chat channel. The keyboard will be usable for chatting only. There will be no in-battle mouse + keyboard support.


Grats. You just lost several sales over something that would have been ridiculously easy to implement. Good marketing strategy there.
Flakey Foont
#2 - 2011-12-23 03:18:58 UTC
Kuronaga wrote:
http://www.dust514.com/en/news/?article=2041

Quote:
Text chat is of course supported too. The PS3 supports standard USB and Bluetooth keyboards right out of the box and so we don’t think it’s unreasonable to expect that players will grab their PC’s keyboard for use in DUST 514. Believe me, it’s far easier than trying to use a software keyboard to keep up in a chat channel. The keyboard will be usable for chatting only. There will be no in-battle mouse + keyboard support.


Grats. You just lost several sales over something that would have been ridiculously easy to implement. Good marketing strategy there.




The console market is a different market. They don't use keyboards to play.

It's true.
Kuronaga
The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc.
The Chicken Coop
#3 - 2011-12-23 03:20:14 UTC
They just lost my sale, and I own consoles. So apparently you are wrong.
Jita Alt666
#4 - 2011-12-23 03:21:50 UTC
Flakey Foont wrote:
Kuronaga wrote:
http://www.dust514.com/en/news/?article=2041

Quote:
Text chat is of course supported too. The PS3 supports standard USB and Bluetooth keyboards right out of the box and so we don’t think it’s unreasonable to expect that players will grab their PC’s keyboard for use in DUST 514. Believe me, it’s far easier than trying to use a software keyboard to keep up in a chat channel. The keyboard will be usable for chatting only. There will be no in-battle mouse + keyboard support.


Grats. You just lost several sales over something that would have been ridiculously easy to implement. Good marketing strategy there.




The console market is a different market. They don't use keyboards to play.

It's true.


100% of CCP's current customer base use keyboards to play. What have CCP learnt over the last 6 months about foregoing their current customers on the potential promise of gaining new different customers?
Kuronaga
The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc.
The Chicken Coop
#5 - 2011-12-23 03:23:59 UTC
Jita Alt666 wrote:
Flakey Foont wrote:
Kuronaga wrote:
http://www.dust514.com/en/news/?article=2041

Quote:
Text chat is of course supported too. The PS3 supports standard USB and Bluetooth keyboards right out of the box and so we don’t think it’s unreasonable to expect that players will grab their PC’s keyboard for use in DUST 514. Believe me, it’s far easier than trying to use a software keyboard to keep up in a chat channel. The keyboard will be usable for chatting only. There will be no in-battle mouse + keyboard support.


Grats. You just lost several sales over something that would have been ridiculously easy to implement. Good marketing strategy there.




The console market is a different market. They don't use keyboards to play.

It's true.


100% of CCP's current customer base use keyboards to play. What have CCP learnt over the last 6 months about foregoing their current customers on the potential promise of gaining new different customers?


Flip on the "allow keyboard and mouse" switch, get paying customers.

Flip off the switch, lose paying customers.

Hmm, where have I see this before? oh yea, ship spinning.
Obsidian Hawk
RONA Midgard Academy
#6 - 2011-12-23 03:24:59 UTC
My thoughts on this matter - link goes to penny arcade comic.

Why Can't I have a picture signature.

Also please support graphical immersion, bring back the art that brought people to EvE online originaly.
Endeavour Starfleet
#7 - 2011-12-23 03:25:00 UTC
Its PS3 so that right off the bat loses my interest.

However, It is not fair to leave over no Keyboard and Mouse control. Those have a HUGE advantage over the controller on any FPS and frankly I can tell when people are using hardware hacks to use them (Which I consider cheating) in games such as Modern Warfare 3 and Halo.

It is the RIGHT decision!
Kuronaga
The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc.
The Chicken Coop
#8 - 2011-12-23 03:27:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Kuronaga
Be nice to have a dev explain the logic behind this. And don't you dare use the "its unfair to controller users" argument. People shell out hundreds of dollars on arcade sticks for fighting games, or cameras for kinect/PSmove games. I don't see how dropping a few bucks on a keyboard and mouse is any different. Nobody is putting a gun to their head and forcing them to use a controller.

Well actually, I take that back. Apparently you are.
Obsidian Hawk
RONA Midgard Academy
#9 - 2011-12-23 03:27:15 UTC
Also remember ps3 was chosen over xbox for a variety of, Microsoft has a stick up its ass and wouldnt allow ccp to a variety of things that playstation would.

Why Can't I have a picture signature.

Also please support graphical immersion, bring back the art that brought people to EvE online originaly.
Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#10 - 2011-12-23 03:30:18 UTC
Endeavour Starfleet wrote:
Its PS3 so that right off the bat loses my interest.

However, It is not fair to leave over no Keyboard and Mouse control. Those have a HUGE advantage over the controller on any FPS and frankly I can tell when people are using hardware hacks to use them (Which I consider cheating) in games such as Modern Warfare 3 and Halo.

It is the RIGHT decision!


And that is probably the logic behind it

10 of 10 K+M win over Controller

By allowing K+M control you just rule out Controller
Kuronaga
The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc.
The Chicken Coop
#11 - 2011-12-23 03:30:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Kuronaga
It doesn't even matter which console its on, or the fact it even is a console -- the playstation 3 has keyboard and mouse support for first person shooters. It's been done before.

The decision to exclude it as a viable control option is baffling and simply lowers the games overall play value.

Jaroslav Unwanted wrote:
Endeavour Starfleet wrote:
Its PS3 so that right off the bat loses my interest.

However, It is not fair to leave over no Keyboard and Mouse control. Those have a HUGE advantage over the controller on any FPS and frankly I can tell when people are using hardware hacks to use them (Which I consider cheating) in games such as Modern Warfare 3 and Halo.

It is the RIGHT decision!


And that is probably the logic behind it

10 of 10 K+M win over Controller

By allowing K+M control you just rule out Controller


Once again, nothing is stopping a person from going out and getting a cheap keyboard and mouse, or just using the one they already have attached to their computer.

You don't see fighting game fans bitching and complaining when they get beaten at a tournament by someone using an arcade stick.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#12 - 2011-12-23 03:36:46 UTC
Jita Alt666 wrote:
100% of CCP's current customer base use keyboards to play. What have CCP learnt over the last 6 months about foregoing their current customers on the potential promise of gaining new different customers?

They're not interested in their current customer base for the obvious reason that they already have those customers — it's a new game for a new set of customers on a new platform, so whether some completely unrelated group of people use keyboards is entirely irrelevant.

It's something rather different to radically alter your existing game with existing players to try to sucker in new people than to diversify and do something else. So if anything, they've learnt the right thing here: don't try to replace your customers, NGE-style — attract new ones, Untold Legends-style.
Kuronaga
The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc.
The Chicken Coop
#13 - 2011-12-23 03:41:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Kuronaga
Tippia wrote:
Jita Alt666 wrote:
100% of CCP's current customer base use keyboards to play. What have CCP learnt over the last 6 months about foregoing their current customers on the potential promise of gaining new different customers?

They're not interested in their current customer base for the obvious reason that they already have those customers — it's a new game for a new set of customers on a new platform, so whether some completely unrelated group of people use keyboards is entirely irrelevant.

It's something rather different to radically alter your existing game with existing players to try to sucker in new people than to diversify and do something else. So if anything, they've learnt the right thing here: don't try to replace your customers, NGE-style — attract new ones, Untold Legends-style.



I've got about five friends who play first person shooters, but can't stand eve. They play first person shooters on PC normally, but they were interested in Dust because it was on PS3 and PS3 has keyboard and mouse support. Now, they've pretty much all lost interest.

Do you believe that cutting off such individuals for seemingly no positive trade off was in fact a sound business strategy?
Apollo Gabriel
Kill'em all. Let Bob sort'em out.
Ushra'Khan
#14 - 2011-12-23 03:44:35 UTC
Dust is a console game, to appeal to the console market.

What's so hard for you to get? I know you want it on your pc, but it's not that product. There are shooters for the PC if you want.

If you think tearing down dust will make it more likely you'll get it on the PC then I have news for you ... you're about to be more butt hurt than you already are.
Always ... Never ... Forget to check your references.   Peace out Zulu! Hope you land well!
Jenshae Chiroptera
#15 - 2011-12-23 03:45:42 UTC
Ever watched those videos where people emulate or hack their PCs onto a console server? They absolutely slaughter them. If they aren't limited to controllers then they might as well be on computers.

Consoles are old and they are holding back the gaming industry.

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.
Kuronaga
The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc.
The Chicken Coop
#16 - 2011-12-23 03:46:57 UTC
Apollo Gabriel wrote:
Dust is a console game, to appeal to the console market.

What's so hard for you to get? I know you want it on your pc, but it's not that product. There are shooters for the PC if you want.

If you think tearing down dust will make it more likely you'll get it on the PC then I have news for you ... you're about to be more butt hurt than you already are.


I don't care if it's on PC or PS3. It's on PS3, which has keyboard and mouse support. I would like to use my keyboard and mouse.

It doesn't matter how good a game is if it controls like ****.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#17 - 2011-12-23 03:47:41 UTC
Kuronaga wrote:
Do you believe that cutting off such individuals for seemingly no positive trade off was in fact a sound business strategy?
Cutting off people who don't play console FPSes from a console FPS isn't particularly strange, no.
Kuronaga
The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc.
The Chicken Coop
#18 - 2011-12-23 03:50:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Kuronaga
Tippia wrote:
Kuronaga wrote:
Do you believe that cutting off such individuals for seemingly no positive trade off was in fact a sound business strategy?
Cutting off people who don't play console FPSes from a console FPS isn't particularly strange, no.


And yet they still have managed to lose sales from one audience gained nothing in return.

So how is it a sound business strategy?
Apollo Gabriel
Kill'em all. Let Bob sort'em out.
Ushra'Khan
#19 - 2011-12-23 03:52:50 UTC
Kuronaga wrote:
Apollo Gabriel wrote:
Dust is a console game, to appeal to the console market.

What's so hard for you to get? I know you want it on your pc, but it's not that product. There are shooters for the PC if you want.

If you think tearing down dust will make it more likely you'll get it on the PC then I have news for you ... you're about to be more butt hurt than you already are.


I don't care if it's on PC or PS3. It's on PS3, which has keyboard and mouse support. I would like to use my keyboard and mouse.

It doesn't matter how good a game is if it controls like ****.


It is a sad reality of the console medium that a keyboard is WAY better than a controller, although your typical console player wants to grab his controller and play. Those who want the rolls royce play PC shooters.
Always ... Never ... Forget to check your references.   Peace out Zulu! Hope you land well!
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#20 - 2011-12-23 03:53:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Kuronaga wrote:
And yet they still have managed to lose sales
No.
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So how is it a sound business strategy?
Going after customer X when you're making a game for customer Y means neither X or Y will be happy. So you ditch X because he's irrelevant and only adds pointless extra work for no extra gain.
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