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Small Ancillary Armor Repairer needs some change.
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Zappity
New Eden Tank Testing Services
#21 - 2016-10-26 02:24:33 UTC
Go run data sites.

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Aiwha
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#22 - 2016-10-26 03:05:24 UTC
Yeah, the problem isn't the cost, the problem is people refusing to do data sites. Go do data sites.

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13kr1d1
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#23 - 2016-10-26 05:32:03 UTC
Tipa Riot wrote:
SAARs are produced of BPCs, dropping from data sites. They used to cost 200-500k for years and are the standard for most armor frigs. Then CCP removed the BPCs from relics, and as nobody bothers to run data sites, the price went through the roof.


So data sites are a gold mine no one is using? Sounds like we've solved the problem.

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Shayla Etherodyne
Delta Laroth Industries
#24 - 2016-10-26 06:27:19 UTC
Data sites from which group of NPC?
(even assuming you find more than 1 BPC every 20 sites)
Aiwha
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#25 - 2016-10-26 07:19:57 UTC
racial type only governs faction blueprints afaik. So the general BPC's should be on all racial drop tables.

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Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon
Goonswarm Federation
#26 - 2016-10-26 08:21:48 UTC
Stjarna Vattenodla wrote:
Small Ancillary Armor Repairer.

It's so super efficient as compared with another tanking modules that can be replaced.

Its capacitor usage is very affordable, and momentary repairing amount is also adorable.

At least I can use all 8 nanite in most situation.

(Unless I got neuted by Tristan with 3 neutralizer or etc)


That gives EHP equals 400mm Armor Plates, with no speed penalty.

Auxiliary Nano Pump rigs have no speed penalty too in contrast with Trimark or Resist Rigs.

And its CPU·Powergrid usage is also very small. only 5 / 5.


So... because of its super, unequaled efficiency, more and more frigates start to use it,

But it has no BPO, no LP store exchange...

So it costs over 5M isk now and its cost is getting higher.


What's CCP's stance? Wanna say this module is designed to be super efficient, and rare like Faction or Deadspace modules?

If that's not, it's time to make some change.


What seems to be the Problem?
It could easily cost 10 Mio. and still would be justified. It is a good module but few pilots know how to operate it correctly.

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Taurean Eltanin
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#27 - 2016-10-26 08:37:19 UTC
I don't mind the cost, particularly, but I do think they are just a little too good. They seem so much better than the alternatives that armor tanking ships are almost forced to use them for (non-fleet) pvp.

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Shallanna Yassavi
qwertz corp
#28 - 2016-10-26 09:04:39 UTC
Shae Tadaruwa wrote:
Stjarna Vattenodla wrote:
Shae Tadaruwa wrote:
No BPO?


Yes it has no BPO.

Thanks.

i never loot rat wrecks. I'm going to have to start.

They're in boss rat wrecks in drone sites sometimes.
I think I found a couple in data site cans when I explored, but that was quite a while ago.

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Cristl
#29 - 2016-11-12 01:45:17 UTC
From the patch notes:

The drop rate of Small Ancillary Armor Repairer blueprints in data sites have been increased.

Woohoo!
Hal Morsh
Doomheim
#30 - 2016-11-12 23:36:08 UTC
Are ancillary shield boosters also limited to data sites? If not i'm gona blow a gasket about even further balance issues.

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Wanda Fayne
#31 - 2016-11-12 23:47:09 UTC
Zappity wrote:
Go run data sites.


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Zirashi
Cyclical Destruction
#32 - 2016-11-13 05:22:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Zirashi
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
Stjarna Vattenodla wrote:
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
Stjarna Vattenodla wrote:
It's so super efficient

*As long as you don't run out of charges and need to reload....


Have you used this module?


Yes I have, and having a 60 second reload is relevant to the discussion of how "super efficient" it is. You completely ignored that and I felt it was relevant to point out. I will concede that it is rare this factor comes into play in most situations you put yourself in but it is a stat that should not be completely ignored if you are trying to be the least bit objective when presenting your argument.


In terms of efficiency, SAARs are better than T2 small armor reps for approximately the first 20 cycles (8 charged, 12 empty), at which point the T2 starts pulling ahead. As you most likely know, this is an eternity in frigate pvp and most fights will be over way before that point.

Unlike the Ancillary Shield Boosters, which need to be reloaded immediately (or they'll cap you out and automatically lose you the fight), the ancillary armor reps can continue to function without the paste without hindering you. In my opinion, that's what makes the reload largely irrelevant.
Scath Bererund
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#33 - 2016-11-13 14:42:23 UTC
Shae Tadaruwa wrote:
Stjarna Vattenodla wrote:
Shae Tadaruwa wrote:
No BPO?


Yes it has no BPO.

Thanks.

i never loot rat wrecks. I'm going to have to start.


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