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Indahmawar Fazmarai
#21 - 2011-12-23 07:51:50 UTC
Sverige Pahis wrote:
Mandatory movement of players in starter corps into their own (self named) war-decable corporation after they reach 3 months of age. Removal of other NPC player corporations, players join new corps directly from their old one. If the CEO boots them they get moved back into their own 1-man self-named corp. No player should be able to evade PvP for any substantial amount of time without expending actual effort.


How original, a lame PvP asking that the rules handle her easy targets. Roll

I have this other idea, if you're wardecced and it's non-consensual, you can hire a virtual ingame assasin with a 0.1% chance to biomass the wardeccers each day the war lasts.

So you just sit and wait for that 1 in 1,000 chance that your wardeccer is exterminated by the rules.

It would be interesting to wardec a big corporation with 1,000 players, each one then hiring an assassin. The average war would last about 3 days. (1,000 assasins wih a 1/1000 th chance to kill some guy each day, have a 50% chance to do so each roll, and the usual lucky row is 3 rolls long). Twisted

IMHO, fukking other players against their will should imply a severe risk of being fukked by the rules.
Florestan Bronstein
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#22 - 2011-12-23 08:18:25 UTC
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
IMHO, fukking other players against their will should imply a severe risk of being fukked by the rules.

fucking other players against their will is EVE's unique selling point.
Lexmana
#23 - 2011-12-23 08:20:55 UTC
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
It does not matter what carrot or rod CCP uses, I will not PVP against my will.

You agree to PvP when you log in, hell, you agreed to PvP when you registered your account.
Alain Kinsella
#24 - 2011-12-23 08:34:15 UTC
Sverige Pahis wrote:
Mandatory movement of players in starter corps into their own (self named) war-decable corporation after they reach 3 months of age. Removal of other NPC player corporations, players join new corps directly from their old one. If the CEO boots them they get moved back into their own 1-man self-named corp. No player should be able to evade PvP for any substantial amount of time without expending actual effort.


You're not thinking big enough, while staying simple to implement.

Pull the NPC corps into Faction War (or permanent war-dec condition with the opposing Faction, per Lore). Done.

Hell, I'd even drop my one guy's personal corp for that kind of fun (since KMs probably won't matter in that case).

Couriers and Traders would need self-corps in that case, but most do that anyway...

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Wacktopia
Fleet-Up.com
Keep It Simple Software Group
#25 - 2011-12-23 08:35:38 UTC
Lexmana wrote:
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
It does not matter what carrot or rod CCP uses, I will not PVP against my will.

You agree to PvP when you log in, hell, you agreed to PvP when you registered your account.


No should you have to. Combat and PvP should not be optional parts of EvE but combat should not be the only solution to combat.

What I mean by this is; a Corp should be able to declare war on you and attack you but you must have more options at your disposal than only combat or not logging in to counter it.

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Indahmawar Fazmarai
#26 - 2011-12-23 09:15:21 UTC
Florestan Bronstein wrote:
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
IMHO, fukking other players against their will should imply a severe risk of being fukked by the rules.

fucking other players against their will is EVE's unique selling point.


That would be quite another question, related to how far can they reach riding that horse.

When you sell entertainment, your target audience sets the limit of your growth. Providing entertainment to people who (say) enjoy midgets in bikinis will only take you so far until you are forced to look for other targets. Enter DUST 514, enter WoD: new target audiences.

But in the meanwhile, your cash cow must keep providing income, and what goes next once you already are selling EVE to everyone interested in non-consensual fukking? And what happens when your real consumer base strays off your intended target audience? What if that silly special about midgets in pajamas thrills your audience beyond what midgets in bikinis ever did...?

Fukking other players against their will may be a selling point, but most EVE players are already doing something else. And some are becoming very vocal about wanting more "something else" in addition to fixing the issues with midgets in bikinis...
First Lieutenant Dan
Doomheim
#27 - 2011-12-23 09:21:40 UTC
March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#28 - 2011-12-23 09:22:39 UTC
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:

IF this is about war declarations and the mechanics involved and if it involves station games and such, here are some of the things I would do in response.

[i]Unless I ... I am happy.
... I will ....
I ...
I ...

Usually, I ...
I ..., I ..., I .....

why should anybody care about you?Shocked

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Sycho Pathic
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#29 - 2011-12-23 09:37:26 UTC
Fiori 161 wrote:

If it blows your skirt up have a party, but I don't think I will ever understand the fear. As much as people insist on pretending otherwise, hiding and denying them kills is never going to be as satisfying as shooting them back in the face.



I see someone parked outside a station, wasting time, trash-talking local...Waiting...talking...waiting

I see another person parked in station. Netflix on in another window. Sipping a coke. Giggling. Taking bets with corpmates on how long the numbskull sits out there and waits.

The winner here is obvious.

PS: What is this fear thing you speak of?
Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
#30 - 2011-12-23 10:27:59 UTC
Wah, the developers of this PvP game are going to work on the PvP mechanics! Wah!

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Thorn Galen
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse
The Curatores Veritatis Auxiliary
#31 - 2011-12-23 10:48:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Thorn Galen
I forsee a potentially larger number of cancelled subscriptions in the near future, far more than with Incarna, if what is being posted here is even only just half-true.

Fix lowsec.
Fix Nullsec.
Fix Factional Warfare.
Fix War Declaration processes.
Fix whatever else needs proper fixing.

Stop phucking around with Hisec, you're killing the goose that lays the golden eggs and sadly, CCP knows this.

COO - Bene Gesserit Chapterhouse  CEO - Sanctuary Pact Alliance
Monomorium
Mnemonic Enterprises
#32 - 2011-12-23 11:00:00 UTC
Personally I like to shoot em up with the best of 'em, but generally on my terms.

My measuring stick to "success" is how many ships I kill divided by ships losses, quality also being factored in as well. Also, I must have been a U-Boat captain in another life, as I also tend to take a special pleasure in getting haulers filled with goods ( I look at it as a form of economic warfare against rival w-space corps ).

What I find silly about alot of these so called hard core PVPers is how they always seem to be telling those who aren't shooters how they are "failing" at Eve, and trying to dictate to them what the game is "supposed to be". A bit ludicrous and self serving, IMO.
Pillowtalk
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#33 - 2011-12-23 11:06:32 UTC
If CCP were to open a PVE server it would have 10x the subscriptions of TQ in a month. But they just wanna be vikings too much. =/

Don't violence me bro!
Lexmana
#34 - 2011-12-23 11:25:37 UTC
Pillowtalk wrote:
If CCP were to open a PVE server it would have 10x the subscriptions of TQ in a month. But they just wanna be vikings too much. =/

Haha. you really believe that? A PVE server would prob have some initial success but then quickly die out of pure boredom.
Halcyon Ingenium
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#35 - 2011-12-23 11:35:04 UTC
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:

If they take away the ability to dock or find a way to force me to depart from the station, I will simply play an alternative character, account or game.

It doesn't say they are going to do that anywhere in that blog, unless you mistook the whole LEO balloon thing to mean they were going to force everyone out of station, in which case you have suffered a massive reading comprehension failure the likes of which mankind has never seen.

By the way, since we're already talking, do you want to buy a rifter? I've got the cheapest rifters in Metropolis. If you can find a cheaper rifter, buy it!
Indahmawar Fazmarai
#36 - 2011-12-23 11:38:01 UTC
Pillowtalk wrote:
If CCP were to open a PVE server it would have 10x the subscriptions of TQ in a month. But they just wanna be vikings too much. =/


I somehow fancy about building civilizations instead of feasting on their corpse... a sci-fi space based MMORPG where the environment was the enemy and could only be overcome through co-operation and actually assisting your fellow, rather than go fuk them.

Yep, I'm a wee bit of a koprotkinist amongst many other things. But I play EVE for fun, not politics.
Jenshae Chiroptera
#37 - 2011-12-23 12:34:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenshae Chiroptera
Asuri Kinnes wrote:

CCP have stated that they don't like people sitting in hi-sec. ..


Doesn't matter. Carebearing is a mentality, no matter the changes, they will always chose the safest until it crosses their personal threshold of risk vs gain, then they will quit. CCP are blinkered if they can't see that.

As for all the war dec? Don't know, don't care. Only the first one bothered me, after that I quite like them, it generally cuts the chaff from the grain, however, I can see how it wears on the others, the constant struggle.

Sycho Pathic wrote:
Fiori 161 wrote:

If it blows your skirt up have a party, but I don't think I will ever understand the fear. As much as people insist on pretending otherwise, hiding and denying them kills is never going to be as satisfying as shooting them back in the face.



I see someone parked outside a station, wasting time, trash-talking local...Waiting...talking...waiting

I see another person parked in station. Netflix on in another window. Sipping a coke. Giggling. Taking bets with corpmates on how long the numbskull sits out there and waits.

The winner here is obvious.

PS: What is this fear thing you speak of?


\o/
Someone sees it! Bear

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.
Rel'k Bloodlor
Federation Front Line Report
Federation Front Line
#38 - 2011-12-23 12:55:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Rel'k Bloodlor
War........like war dec's or faction war or a war on crime or a war on drugs or a war of worlds or warmongering or a war skill or price wars or forcing every one to war or war for war's sake or a holy war or war bonuses or mining wars or robot wars or 0.0 war or hisec war or low sec war or war games or socal war or class war or lobser war or the ability to watch war's from you captens quarters or war taxes or war flags or war objectives or no more war or a war on bears or longer war's or shorter war's ro rules of war or stoping war with war or new types of war or worm hole wars or junk yard wars or ccp sanctioned war or healthyer wars or slower wars or double war or more war or war or a war on crusiers or plex wars or war zones or blood wars or sov war or no war for Caldari or wars for isk or mega war or fast wars or pirate war or gate wars or war ships or drone wars or time wars or cold wars or real wars or moon wars or the end of all wars or unaversal war 1 .....


kinda vage?

I wanted to paint my space ship red, but I couldn't find enough goats. 
Jenshae Chiroptera
#39 - 2011-12-23 13:01:45 UTC
Rel'k Bloodlor wrote:
War........
kinda vage?


Hence, the big IF at the beginning. Smile

Story time.

For some "strange" reason I get made primary target, a lot. In one instance, they had a stronger fleet than us, so I dragged their fleet up the station, waited (first time being shot at by a dreadnought, that was funny) until as many of my fleet had escaped as possible, then I docked and jump cloned out. Big smile

The same enemy fleet, then found another corporation member that wanted to play with them, he had brought one of those insane tank Drakes, kept leaving the station and docking up again for eight hoursShocked
I don't know how they kept convincing themselves that this time they would kill him. Meanwhile, he was playing on his other account. Blink

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#40 - 2011-12-23 16:46:39 UTC
Lexmana wrote:
Pillowtalk wrote:
If CCP were to open a PVE server it would have 10x the subscriptions of TQ in a month. But they just wanna be vikings too much. =/

Haha. you really believe that? A PVE server would prob have some initial success but then quickly die out of pure boredom.




I am not so sure. Based on what I have seen in other MMOs, if there was a "PVe" server that had only one difference:


"not being able to target other players at all except in designated PVP zones"

(or something like that)


... it would have a lot of players. Not going to say if that's better, or why, or whatever. Just based on the pattern I have seen.


Bring back DEEEEP Space!