Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I'm sorry to say I'm a forum noob, so I started this thread in the wrong part of it.

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Hello Everyone.

I am sure everyone will be feeling that Assault Frigates are not really a ship to train in because it's role has been taken over by the T3 destroyers.
As such I think it is time to brainstorm how to make the assault frigate a ship which is a viable option and different from the T3D's.

To calculate why and how it should change we have to look at the T3D's different roles.
The AF used to be the small sniper or assault frigate that had a lot of tank. Both roles have been taken over by the T3D.

Although this is ofcourse a shortcut I think giving all AFs the same role bonus as the interceptor (immunity to interdiction spheres) would make it viable to train in it again.

Please let me know what you think of this idea.

Work some magic voodoo to prevent oversized prop mod fitting (not gimping the ship in the process),

Bring back killed test bonus (dominion sisi testing iirc) of AB bonus....there ya go. High speed, low sig, and scram proof (for prop mod part).

Profit....AF looks better with this small tweak.

Added entry or something to ship or 10mn prop on the database that basically says cannot fit on AF the prevention idea I have in mind. Others have other ones please do share. Not touching grids or slots (ccp did this a few times, imo it also nerfs the ships for for other things in the process fitting wise) all I ask.

Last thing AF needs is grids gutted out and slots adjusted to make them even less viable.


lets work some SQL and coding magic for a change. Not partial to CCP's other fixes for this so far. Like say worm's lost low slot and cpu nerf. Low slot....give them that one. The CPU grid hit though...made functional fitting with 1mn a pita at times in the process.



We already have inty's an with this bonus, that fire does not need more fuel to build it up more as mentioned above.

Nullification has its place, it helps interceptors fulfill there role and T3 Cruisers (I can only assume) were given the ability for sustained WH operations where bubbles are present.

I don't think this is the right answer for them. Due to the nature of being a frigate, fitting an afterburner to an assault ship will make it go fast.

If I remember correctly, a Harpy with an afterburner does around 1100m/s. And that is without a nano.

That is fast in my book. I am certain that you can make a Harpy even faster by fitting her that way right now.


The speed creep needs to stop in my opinion. And it will stop next week. The day the links become a "splurge" you puke on your buddies.

We should force a module restriction on prop mods, so that 500mn mwd cruisers are no longer a thing.


Tanking also needs a little tweaking. 8 years ago, before gun grouping, a small shield extender was for small ships, as in frigate size.
Medium shield extenders were for destroyers class ships and large ones for cruisers and battlecruisers.

If you fit a shield-boat frigate today with anything smaller than a medium extender or 5000 medium prototype mods that should never have been, you should rethink your fit.

For all the carebears of "high-sec wars" everything "below" a Sleepless Guardian is no good ship, gooderererer bring 4000 and 6000 Guradians for each one just in case.

Explosions are bad mkay.

The common solution to several peoples suggestions is given them a specialized module that allows you to do MWD or AB, in one module.

The only thing AF need is for T3D to be nerfed back down to destroyer level.

I would like to see them just change it to a reinforced mwd bonus where scrams dont shut them off (HICs still do though)

No

AFs dont need gimmicks to fix them. And certainly not nullification, as they are assault ships, not interceptors. Plus we dont need more nullified ships.

It doesnt change anything on whats wrong with AF, just turns them into tankier travel ceptors.

Nerf t3ds, buff fitting, cap and in some cases, speed and AFs would be fine. Most can still be used to some effect, its just ppl want to fly the "can do everything in 1 mode that needs no skill to fly" svipul

Naw. They still wouldn't have a place in today's game. There isn't a place for tanky frigates, outside of the microcosm of small FW plexes. With how good Interceptors, the Keres, and the Orthrus/Garmur are, you have light/skirmish tackle pretty much spoken for entirely, and heavy tackle is still the domain of the T3Cs/HICs. Maybe they could have a niche between those two, but they would have to gain a ton of speed/tank/ewar resistance to be any good at it. And then you risk more 'hard counter' meta which just prevents fights from happening - They have an AF? Can't engage.

You don't want to buff them into a corner where they just become the thing for small plexes, and are still lacking for either skirmish or fleet work. If you give them web resistance, you would trash the balance of FW where they can at least play with the other hulls.

If they did not appear on Dscan, or in local, and could covert cyno, then they would have role and a purpose and be scary. Good defenders could see them miles out or just set up bubbles/camps, but they could present new game play to the old paradigm of 'local is king'.

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then I can grab all the fancy goon shuttles