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[SERAPH] Battle of Sazre

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Alizabeth Vea
Doomheim
#21 - 2016-10-25 22:50:43 UTC
Vollhov Jr wrote:
This will lead to a retaliatory strike on the part of Drifters.
Do not wake the beast while he sleeps. Roll


As a woman, I do not possess testicles. However, I am confident in saying that I have more balls than you, Vollhov.

Retainer of Lady Newelle and House Sarum.

"Those who step into the light shall be redeemed, the sins of their past cleansed, so that they may know salvation." -Empress Jamyl Sarum I

Virtue. Valor. Victory.

Morwen Lagann
Tyrathlion Interstellar
#22 - 2016-10-25 23:17:05 UTC
Matar Ronin wrote:
Lord Kailethre wrote:
Matar Ronin wrote:
Impressive numbers.

Kudos to the participants and to all those whose previous flights have helped to establish such efficient methods of engagement.


It's quite unlike you to be so unilaterally positive.
What's happened?
Simple, they posted a 71 to 1 kill to death ratio. (Probably a tad higher than 71 in fact)
These pilots are the first to seriously kick Drifter asses.

Drifters have shown up all over New Eden like they own the place. Today for perhaps the first time in a long time people all over New Eden can have hope that humans will prevail against the Drifters. Mark your Calendars and remember their names because this might be a date that is historic. The day humanity stopped just fighting back and started winning.

So yes I am damn pleased about the excellent actions of these brave few pilots. All New Eden should be.

I think you've forgotten about the entirety of the Defense of the Throne Worlds campaign.

The numbers of Drifter vessels destroyed in last week's engagement are nothing compared to the sorties every night of that campaign.

Morwen Lagann

CEO, Tyrathlion Interstellar

Coordinator, Arataka Research Consortium

Owner, The Golden Masque

Vollhov Jr
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#23 - 2016-10-25 23:44:10 UTC
Alizabeth Vea wrote:
Vollhov Jr wrote:
This will lead to a retaliatory strike on the part of Drifters.
Do not wake the beast while he sleeps. Roll


As a woman, I do not possess testicles. However, I am confident in saying that I have more balls than you, Vollhov.


Excuse me.
What is the problem ask what in the testament?
You loyalist !!!
You participated in succession.
You serve home Sarum.
Ask your Order Tetrimon.
Alizabeth Vea
Doomheim
#24 - 2016-10-25 23:55:53 UTC
Lady Tyrathlion is correct. This was the largest engagement since the Defense of the Throne Worlds campaign. Most of the pilots that flew in the defense were quiet professionals. Even now, those that fight Drifters usually keep a lower profile. I do not, for instance, post about the week to week operations of SERAPH. However, in this case, given the dedication of my fleet for this operation I decided to make an announcement and a warning. I am sure they appreciate your compliments.

With regards to the Drifters, Vollhov, what do you think Empress Jamyl would want us to do?

Retainer of Lady Newelle and House Sarum.

"Those who step into the light shall be redeemed, the sins of their past cleansed, so that they may know salvation." -Empress Jamyl Sarum I

Virtue. Valor. Victory.

Arrendis
TK Corp
#25 - 2016-10-26 00:52:55 UTC
Alizabeth Vea wrote:
We Amarr do not cower in fear. We Amarr do not retreat. We Amarr do not give up.


Ahem.
Vollhov Jr
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#26 - 2016-10-26 00:58:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Vollhov Jr
Alizabeth Vea wrote:

With regards to the Drifters, Vollhov, what do you think Empress Jamyl would want us to do?

She wanted this war ? She wanted all these sacrifices ?
Drifters attacking forces of the Empire ?
I can not understand.
Why was conducted "succession" at the time of the invasion.
Provisional Government of the Empire know that the drifters did not strike a blow to repeat.
It is better to get the answers to all the questions that have no answer for a year.

The capsule goes into warp faster than her will capture the target BS Drifter Cool
If she wished to live .....
Elmund Egivand
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#27 - 2016-10-26 01:12:31 UTC
Vollhov Jr wrote:
Alizabeth Vea wrote:

With regards to the Drifters, Vollhov, what do you think Empress Jamyl would want us to do?

She wanted this war ? She wanted all these sacrifices ?
Drifters attacking forces of the Empire ?
I can not understand.
Why was conducted "succession" at the time of the invasion.
Provisional Government of the Empire know that the drifters did not strike a blow to repeat.
It is better to get the answers to all the questions that have no answer for a year.

The capsule goes into warp faster than her will capture the target BS Drifter Cool
If she wished to live .....


You seem to forget that House Sarum is one of the more militaristic Royal Heir families of the Amarr Empire. Their push for a Reclaiming was quite well documented and it was a miracle (or more likely, because of CONCORD), that there hasn't been a violent push into neighbouring borders when a Sarum was on the Throne. I reckon it is far more likely that if the late Jamyl Sarum is still alive, her response to an assassination attempt by the Drifters would have been "Reclaim them."

Also, the succession had to be done or else there won't be an Emperor or an Empress to lead the Amarr Empire. What, you think the Empire votes an Emperor or Empress onto the Throne? No, they FIGHT for the position. Used to be they do it themselves. These days they get the best possible loyal combat capsuleer to fight on their behalf.

The last time governance was left to a Provisional Government, which might as well be 'Left to the Chamberlain', Karsoth happened. I doubt the Empire wants to allow any chance for another Karsoth to happen.

A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.

Vollhov Jr
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#28 - 2016-10-26 02:14:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Vollhov Jr
Elmund Egivand wrote:
Vollhov Jr wrote:
Alizabeth Vea wrote:

With regards to the Drifters, Vollhov, what do you think Empress Jamyl would want us to do?

She wanted this war ? She wanted all these sacrifices ?
Drifters attacking forces of the Empire ?
I can not understand.
Why was conducted "succession" at the time of the invasion.
Provisional Government of the Empire know that the drifters did not strike a blow to repeat.
It is better to get the answers to all the questions that have no answer for a year.

The capsule goes into warp faster than her will capture the target BS Drifter Cool
If she wished to live .....


You seem to forget that House Sarum is one of the more militaristic Royal Heir families of the Amarr Empire. Their push for a Reclaiming was quite well documented and it was a miracle (or more likely, because of CONCORD), that there hasn't been a violent push into neighbouring borders when a Sarum was on the Throne. I reckon it is far more likely that if the late Jamyl Sarum is still alive, her response to an assassination attempt by the Drifters would have been "Reclaim them."

Also, the succession had to be done or else there won't be an Emperor or an Empress to lead the Amarr Empire. What, you think the Empire votes an Emperor or Empress onto the Throne? No, they FIGHT for the position. Used to be they do it themselves. These days they get the best possible loyal combat capsuleer to fight on their behalf.

The last time governance was left to a Provisional Government, which might as well be 'Left to the Chamberlain', Karsoth happened. I doubt the Empire wants to allow any chance for another Karsoth to happen.



Jamyl Sarum was not like everyone else in the Sarum Family.
It was she who stopped the Golden of Retribution fleet after the Battle of Sarum Prime. (Stopping a major war and possible total destruction Minmatar)
House Saurm the cradle of tactics, precisely because of this great house came great generals and admirals.
If Jamyl Sarum would like all of the Sarum family, we would never see the Emancipation.

First, it was necessary to deal with the representations of houses. Six representatives can not be in the council.
It is a violation.

I will reveal to you a terrible secret: Succession and subsequently death of heirs does not solve anything. All this is imposed in the past. Read properly and you will understand that no house is not able to capture the Golden Throne.
Themselves think that's heir died, so what? Family is alive and can fight for the throne. But this is not happening.
All of this lies in the past.

That's why I do not accept this succession.
Catiz for me is not the Empress of the Empire Amarr.

That is, for the sake of this we risk the heirs and to conduct the coronation but at the same time drifters still in Imperial space?
Where is the logic ? Or temporary the government was confident that the drifters will not attack heirs and Catiz?

If our heroes want to be closer to Sarum.
I wish them luck. BUT..
Sometimes you have to forget about the "pride" and retreat to avoid further mistakes.
Very strange.
Elmund Egivand
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#29 - 2016-10-26 02:27:51 UTC
Vollhov Jr wrote:
Elmund Egivand wrote:
Vollhov Jr wrote:
Alizabeth Vea wrote:

With regards to the Drifters, Vollhov, what do you think Empress Jamyl would want us to do?

She wanted this war ? She wanted all these sacrifices ?
Drifters attacking forces of the Empire ?
I can not understand.
Why was conducted "succession" at the time of the invasion.
Provisional Government of the Empire know that the drifters did not strike a blow to repeat.
It is better to get the answers to all the questions that have no answer for a year.

The capsule goes into warp faster than her will capture the target BS Drifter Cool
If she wished to live .....


You seem to forget that House Sarum is one of the more militaristic Royal Heir families of the Amarr Empire. Their push for a Reclaiming was quite well documented and it was a miracle (or more likely, because of CONCORD), that there hasn't been a violent push into neighbouring borders when a Sarum was on the Throne. I reckon it is far more likely that if the late Jamyl Sarum is still alive, her response to an assassination attempt by the Drifters would have been "Reclaim them."

Also, the succession had to be done or else there won't be an Emperor or an Empress to lead the Amarr Empire. What, you think the Empire votes an Emperor or Empress onto the Throne? No, they FIGHT for the position. Used to be they do it themselves. These days they get the best possible loyal combat capsuleer to fight on their behalf.

The last time governance was left to a Provisional Government, which might as well be 'Left to the Chamberlain', Karsoth happened. I doubt the Empire wants to allow any chance for another Karsoth to happen.



Jamyl Sarum was not like everyone else in the Sarum Family.
It was she who stopped the Golden of Retribution fleet after the Battle of Sarum Prime. (Stopping a major war and possible total destruction Minmatar)
House Saurm the cradle of tactics, precisely because of this great house came great generals and admirals.
If Jamyl Sarum would like all of the Sarum family, we would never see the Emancipation.

First, it was necessary to deal with the representations of houses. Six representatives can not be in the council.
It is a violation.

I will reveal to you a terrible secret: Succession and subsequently death of heirs does not solve anything. All this is imposed in the past. Read properly and you will understand that no house is not able to capture the Golden Throne.
Themselves think that's heir died, so what? Family is alive and can fight for the throne. But this is not happening.
All of this lies in the past.

That's why I do not accept this succession.
Catiz for me is not the Empress of the Empire Amarr.

That is, for the sake of this we risk the heirs and to conduct the coronation but at the same time drifters still in Imperial space?
Where is the logic ? Or temporary the government was confident that the drifters will not attack heirs and Catiz?

If our heroes want to be closer to Sarum.
I wish them luck. BUT..
Sometimes you have to forget about the "pride" and retreat to avoid further mistakes.
Very strange.


One, it can be argued that the Emancipation is also a political move to make the Republic look bad. If that's the intention, she has succeeded wonderfully.

Second, the ritual suicide of the Heirs was never meant to remove all competitors to the Throne. All it does is wipe the slate clean, remove resentment (at least by theory) of current Heirs and let the next generation of Heirs take their place (no guarantees that grudges do not get passed down though). Of course, this is what's supposed to happen on paper. In practice, it's a different matter entirely.

Finally, you forgot. This is the Amarr Empire, a nation so steeped in tradition that it tends to take milleniums for any kind of social change to happen, unless something really huge shook the nation (for example the Elder Fleet invasion, the Minmatar Rebellion, Vak'atioth, the Starkman Prime uprising, the encounter with the Gallente Federation, etc.).

And no, the standing government is NOT confident that the Drifters will not attack the Heirs and Catiz. However, it still has to be done since during the times of war, there needs to be a leader and a rallying point. One does not brave a war without a Head of State.

What did you think all that security is for?

A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.

Vollhov Jr
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#30 - 2016-10-26 03:22:16 UTC
Elmund Egivand wrote:
Vollhov Jr wrote:
Elmund Egivand wrote:
Vollhov Jr wrote:
Alizabeth Vea wrote:

With regards to the Drifters, Vollhov, what do you think Empress Jamyl would want us to do?

She wanted this war ? She wanted all these sacrifices ?
Drifters attacking forces of the Empire ?
I can not understand.
Why was conducted "succession" at the time of the invasion.
Provisional Government of the Empire know that the drifters did not strike a blow to repeat.
It is better to get the answers to all the questions that have no answer for a year.

The capsule goes into warp faster than her will capture the target BS Drifter Cool
If she wished to live .....


You seem to forget that House Sarum is one of the more militaristic Royal Heir families of the Amarr Empire. Their push for a Reclaiming was quite well documented and it was a miracle (or more likely, because of CONCORD), that there hasn't been a violent push into neighbouring borders when a Sarum was on the Throne. I reckon it is far more likely that if the late Jamyl Sarum is still alive, her response to an assassination attempt by the Drifters would have been "Reclaim them."

Also, the succession had to be done or else there won't be an Emperor or an Empress to lead the Amarr Empire. What, you think the Empire votes an Emperor or Empress onto the Throne? No, they FIGHT for the position. Used to be they do it themselves. These days they get the best possible loyal combat capsuleer to fight on their behalf.

The last time governance was left to a Provisional Government, which might as well be 'Left to the Chamberlain', Karsoth happened. I doubt the Empire wants to allow any chance for another Karsoth to happen.



Jamyl Sarum was not like everyone else in the Sarum Family.
It was she who stopped the Golden of Retribution fleet after the Battle of Sarum Prime. (Stopping a major war and possible total destruction Minmatar)
House Saurm the cradle of tactics, precisely because of this great house came great generals and admirals.
If Jamyl Sarum would like all of the Sarum family, we would never see the Emancipation.

First, it was necessary to deal with the representations of houses. Six representatives can not be in the council.
It is a violation.

I will reveal to you a terrible secret: Succession and subsequently death of heirs does not solve anything. All this is imposed in the past. Read properly and you will understand that no house is not able to capture the Golden Throne.
Themselves think that's heir died, so what? Family is alive and can fight for the throne. But this is not happening.
All of this lies in the past.

That's why I do not accept this succession.
Catiz for me is not the Empress of the Empire Amarr.

That is, for the sake of this we risk the heirs and to conduct the coronation but at the same time drifters still in Imperial space?
Where is the logic ? Or temporary the government was confident that the drifters will not attack heirs and Catiz?

If our heroes want to be closer to Sarum.
I wish them luck. BUT..
Sometimes you have to forget about the "pride" and retreat to avoid further mistakes.
Very strange.


One, it can be argued that the Emancipation is also a political move to make the Republic look bad. If that's the intention, she has succeeded wonderfully.

Second, the ritual suicide of the Heirs was never meant to remove all competitors to the Throne. All it does is wipe the slate clean, remove resentment (at least by theory) of current Heirs and let the next generation of Heirs take their place (no guarantees that grudges do not get passed down though). Of course, this is what's supposed to happen on paper. In practice, it's a different matter entirely.

Finally, you forgot. This is the Amarr Empire, a nation so steeped in tradition that it tends to take milleniums for any kind of social change to happen, unless something really huge shook the nation (for example the Elder Fleet invasion, the Minmatar Rebellion, Vak'atioth, the Starkman Prime uprising, the encounter with the Gallente Federation, etc.).

And no, the standing government is NOT confident that the Drifters will not attack the Heirs and Catiz. However, it still has to be done since during the times of war, there needs to be a leader and a rallying point. One does not brave a war without a Head of State.

What did you think all that security is for?



Not all traditions are good. Much needs to be changed.
I will never accept that the Empress chose Capsuleers!
That's why my brother was a faithful Empress Jamyl Sarum. It Jamyl Sarum even when she was the heiress of Sarum House raised the issue of cloning, not Catiz.

That's it. At first it is necessary to establish order in the Empire. Securing the the Empire, and only then carry out succession with five heirs.

By the way:
Order Tetrimon - opposes leberalny views. Catiz is Leberalny look. Good luck with the performance of of the will Jamyl Sarum.
Contradictions Ahahaha TwistedTwistedTwistedTwisted

Especially for Hounds of Sarum: Sarum A

TheSmokingHertog
Julia's Interstellar Trade Emperium
#31 - 2016-10-26 09:46:53 UTC
Nice writeup.

"Dogma is kind of like quantum physics, observing the dogma state will change it." ~ CCP Prism X

"Schrödinger's Missile. I dig it." ~ Makari Aeron

-= "Brain in a Box on Singularity" - April 2015 =-

Matar Ronin
#32 - 2016-10-26 16:10:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Matar Ronin
Morwen Lagann wrote:
Matar Ronin wrote:
Lord Kailethre wrote:
Matar Ronin wrote:
Impressive numbers.

Kudos to the participants and to all those whose previous flights have helped to establish such efficient methods of engagement.


It's quite unlike you to be so unilaterally positive.
What's happened?
Simple, they posted a 71 to 1 kill to death ratio. (Probably a tad higher than 71 in fact)
These pilots are the first to seriously kick Drifter asses.

Drifters have shown up all over New Eden like they own the place. Today for perhaps the first time in a long time people all over New Eden can have hope that humans will prevail against the Drifters. Mark your Calendars and remember their names because this might be a date that is historic. The day humanity stopped just fighting back and started winning.

So yes I am damn pleased about the excellent actions of these brave few pilots. All New Eden should be.

I think you've forgotten about the entirety of the Defense of the Throne Worlds campaign.

The numbers of Drifter vessels destroyed in last week's engagement are nothing compared to the sorties every night of that campaign.
Pilot Lagann I do not agree with you. My opinion is that the skill and success of the most recent engagement is a historic achievement. I am not demanding everyone agree with me, although I think history will.

The fact that is was executed by more then just pilots from the empire is why it can be claimed by all the people of New Eden. I am viewing this as a success for humans against invasion from beings that are not still human. I think that making this political is not something that will help rally all the people of New Eden against a universal threat. Again I do not demand everyone agree with me, it is my opinion that the "human pilots engaged versus the Drifters are better served by setting aside human vs. human political disputes for the duration of the fight". I will fly with those whom I might otherwise try to destroy but would certainly die/sacrifice any ship to protect fleet mates in the interest of defeating the Drifters, and I am pretty hardcore in my political positions. That is how important I think humans working together is. Again just my position and opinion.

Although you might be able to compare the number of destroyed vessels I think the outstanding kill to death ratio by a small group of skilled pilots is something that stands out. I can not agree it is nothing, regardless of what you compare it to.

‘Vain flame burns fast/and its lick is light/Modest flame lasts long/and burns to the bone.’

" We lost a war we chose not to fight." Without a doubt this is the best way to lose any war and the worst excuse to explain the beating afterwards.

Morwen Lagann
Tyrathlion Interstellar
#33 - 2016-10-26 21:06:16 UTC
And as a participant in both the aforementioned campaign and in this particular fleet, just like Alizabeth - I'm going to state, from a position of knowledge and authority, that you, as someone external to the entire thing, are wrong about much of this where your opinions and assertions are concerned.

Let's go down the line:

1) "The fact that is was executed by more then just pilots from the empire is why it can be claimed by all the people of New Eden."

With all due respect to Alizabeth, SERAPH is first and foremost an Amarr-centric outfit. It's even in the name - E for Empire, as in Amarr Empire. While similarly 'closed' in recruitment to what we internally referred to as the "Drifter Fight Club" during the Throne Worlds campaign, DFC was, in contrast, led and piloted in majority, by non-Amarr. I would have to go look through fleet rosters to check the exact demographics. (Which I can do, it'll just take some time. I'm rather busy dealing with a fair number of Drifters and Seekers on my doorstep today.)

The fleet on Friday had, of its twelve combatants, three people who aren't really affiliated with the Empire. One was with the State. The other two were independents. Neither the Republic, nor the Federation, really, get to lay any claim to this 'victory'.

The Throne Worlds campaign fleets, particularly the ones that I led, on the other hand, included pilots directly affiliated with the Federation and Republic, and therefore, actually could make that claim in some sense.

2) "[...] it is my opinion that the "human pilots engaged versus the Drifters are better served by setting aside human vs. human political disputes for the duration of the fight"."

Similarly to the above, this does not really apply to Friday's operation. Everyone in that fleet was largely on the same "side" before taking Drifters into account. If you want examples of your opinion in action, for the moment you should be looking at ARC's fleets instead, which regularly have members of opposing militia in fleet together.

Alizabeth can back me up on this: SERAPH's primary 'goal' is little more than just killing Drifters. It's not about cooperation, it's not about multiculturalism. It's about killing Drifters, full stop.

3) "Although you might be able to compare the number of destroyed vessels I think the outstanding kill to death ratio by a small group of skilled pilots is something that stands out. I can not agree it is nothing, regardless of what you compare it to."

Even if we put the number of Drifters destroyed in a single sitting aside, under my command, the fleets in the Throne Worlds campaign lost fewer crew over a period of months than were aboard the one Svipul that was lost last Friday in SERAPH's fleet. Individual engagements in that campaign were against thirteen or fourteen Drifters at once. At most, Friday encountered three.

If you want to give credit where credit is due, the breakthrough here is in the new fleet doctrine that was being tested more than it is in anything else. Everything else you suggest is a breakthrough, was accomplished months ago during the defense of the Throne Worlds.

I would argue that Alizabeth's second point that we confirmed that the Drifters are still a threat isn't much of a breakthrough, since we had been given no indication they had stopped being a threat, but all things considered that is a rather minor quibble and I don't think she or I need to waste time fussing back and forth over it.

Morwen Lagann

CEO, Tyrathlion Interstellar

Coordinator, Arataka Research Consortium

Owner, The Golden Masque

Alizabeth Vea
Doomheim
#34 - 2016-10-26 23:28:25 UTC
I will take the time to write something more complete when I am not doing something more important that posting on the IGS, which is actually pretty far down my scale of things that matter.

1: Vollhov. No one doubts your devotion to Empress Jamyl. However, she's gone and I cannot change that. All I can do now is to keep moving forward how Empress Jamyl would want me to and how Empress Catiz does. Denying her legitimacy is a nonstarter.

2: Mr. Ronin, next time, please just give the compliment. We will accept and everyone will be happy. There's no need to really politic this.

Retainer of Lady Newelle and House Sarum.

"Those who step into the light shall be redeemed, the sins of their past cleansed, so that they may know salvation." -Empress Jamyl Sarum I

Virtue. Valor. Victory.

Kaaeliaa
Tyrannos Sunset
#35 - 2016-10-27 02:13:32 UTC
I don't want any politics or motives assigned to my destruction of Drifters aside from the fact that I want to destroy Drifters, everywhere they are.

"Do not lift the veil. Do not show the door. Do not split the dream."

Vollhov Jr
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#36 - 2016-10-27 10:58:44 UTC
Alizabeth Vea wrote:

1: Vollhov. No one doubts your devotion to Empress Jamyl. However, she's gone and I cannot change that. All I can do now is to keep moving forward how Empress Jamyl would want me to and how Empress Catiz does. Denying her legitimacy is a nonstarter.


Away from you conceal the the truth.
It is unfortunate such as do not want to know her. So as soon as to you can uncover where Auctoritas.
And what is written in the testament. It is unfortunate that the loyalists do not want to know anything, and accept the succession so easily.
What about me.
I do not recognize the Emperor / Empress which were crowned with the help of capsuleers.
It is not God's choice. The choice of God in the history of Amarr was once. (And you know who have been chosen by God)


Elmund Egivand
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#37 - 2016-10-27 11:47:28 UTC
Vollhov Jr wrote:
Alizabeth Vea wrote:

1: Vollhov. No one doubts your devotion to Empress Jamyl. However, she's gone and I cannot change that. All I can do now is to keep moving forward how Empress Jamyl would want me to and how Empress Catiz does. Denying her legitimacy is a nonstarter.


Away from you conceal the the truth.
It is unfortunate such as do not want to know her. So as soon as to you can uncover where Auctoritas.
And what is written in the testament. It is unfortunate that the loyalists do not want to know anything, and accept the succession so easily.
What about me.
I do not recognize the Emperor / Empress which were crowned with the help of capsuleers.
It is not God's choice. The choice of God in the history of Amarr was once. (And you know who have been chosen by God)




The trans-neural burner in her pod is deactivated. She's gone. Get over it.

A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.

Matar Ronin
#38 - 2016-10-27 15:40:41 UTC
Alizabeth Vea wrote:
I will take the time to write something more complete when I am not doing something more important that posting on the IGS, which is actually pretty far down my scale of things that matter.

2: Mr. Ronin, next time, please just give the compliment. We will accept and everyone will be happy. There's no need to really politic this.
Actually that is exactly what I did.

I then responded to inquiries as to why I complimented the brave heroic actions I thought everyone should be proud of.
I even said it should not be a political issue, even for a hardcore political person like myself.
Pilot Vea please check my record in this thread. If saying humans fighting against Drifters is "Politics" then yes I said that. If saying all humans should be proud of the accomplishments of your small group of effective successful pilots is "Politics" then yes I said that.

To be fair you should not admonish me when someone else takes offense to a generic non-political compliment I posted. In this particular case Most reasonable people would review my statements and find me not guilty of politics. Why do you need to admonish me for some reaction another pilot had to my compliments? It could even be viewed as you bowing to "Political" pressures to smack at anything I say, even when you understand the words not to be political.

Is that because of me being a Matari?
Do I not have both the right and responsibility to respond to a direct question posted when I choose to?

Perhaps in the future you might want to include in the title of your threads "Amarr Supporters Only" so pilots who do not agree with that philosophy can choose in advance to not participate in or read the thread. Just my thoughts, not instructions.

However since a pilot involved in the action has stated she wants to fight against "Drifters" in a politics free way you might have to tell everyone in the future that participation with your fleets is joining an Amarr Supporters Group. Just my thoughts, not instructions.

Fleets and corps can be selective as to whom is allowed to participate and in which manner they can then do so, IGS not so much. You might want to consider that before telling people on IGS what to say and how they may say it. Just my thoughts, not instructions.

Bottom line, the actions of a few brave and skilled pilots might have been the turning point in humans attitude towards the fight with the Drifters, many people feared them to be unstoppable after their quick destruction of a Titan Class Capital ship, your squadrons have proven them vulnerable to better skills and tactics. I stand behind saying that is something everyone can and should be proud of.

‘Vain flame burns fast/and its lick is light/Modest flame lasts long/and burns to the bone.’

" We lost a war we chose not to fight." Without a doubt this is the best way to lose any war and the worst excuse to explain the beating afterwards.

Persephone Alleile
Tartarus Covert Operations
#39 - 2016-10-27 16:58:31 UTC
Is there uh . . . a reason we don't consider the Drifters to be human?

Just curious.
Alizabeth Vea
Doomheim
#40 - 2016-10-27 17:00:02 UTC
Matar Ronin wrote:

The fact that is was executed by more then just pilots from the empire is why it can be claimed by all the people of New Eden.

This is actually what I objected too. All the people of New Eden have no claim on what me and mine do.

As far as you being Matari, there was one in my fleet, so that is a nonstarter.

Again, I appreciate the compliments and your happiness at our success. I am sure the rest of my pilots do as well.

Retainer of Lady Newelle and House Sarum.

"Those who step into the light shall be redeemed, the sins of their past cleansed, so that they may know salvation." -Empress Jamyl Sarum I

Virtue. Valor. Victory.