Player Features and Ideas Discussion

How am I contradicting myself?

Somer and IWI were entities specifically devoted to gambling. They used EVE like a real casino uses the treasury. EVE itself is NOT an entity solely devoted to gambling. As in, gambling is not the core focus of the simulation. Those are not contradictory statements.

Also, in the case of RNG loot drops in EVE, yeah, you're wagering your ship. Not so in many other games, but doing PVE is EVE is a lot closer to what you could conceivably legally call gambling. It just happens to create psudeocurrency from nowhere, and be heavily slanted in the odds of the player because it's a component system of a larger simulation, and because it's a simulation the house doesn't actually LOSE anything by letting the player win.

Because its fake money that is generated by a fake system of fake internet spaceships exploding.

And that's my point here.

Not that we have some desparate need for blackjack tables within the EVE client, I couldn't be ****** if we have gambling or not. My point is that there's no legal boogeyman that prevents it because it is completely unlike giving license to third parties to operate gambling sites that may skirt around ACTUAL gambling law as a result of ACTUAL money being used as rewards in the form of RMT.

Those sites are problematic because the people that run and use them, not CCP, place a very real cash value on very fake ISK and have the ability to do so beyond the administrative eye of CCP. You know, the same problem that RMT sites have had since the beginning of MMOs.

All CCP does is sell plex and subscriptions and tell you you're not actually allowed to turn your fake spaceship money in to real money, so it absolutely doesn't enter a legal grey area of have forms of gambling within the game administrated as the "only game in town" by the people who actually control the odds for the rest of the existing gambles already.

Looking for sites is a game of chance. Blowing up spaceships, including player spaceships is a game of chance. Hacking a can is a game of chance. Turning on a salvager or ECM is a game of chance. The fact that there are mitigating factors in terms of player knowledge or avatar skills doesn't change the fact that many activities in the game boil down to "do action, cross fingers"

The legal waffling over games of skill versus chance are largely pointless in the context of how the rules work within the EVE simulation and only have any merit for consideration when it comes to separating real people from their real money with a promise that they can actually win money in the process.

EVE is ALREADY separating you from your real money and offering zero chance to recoup that investment, so no amount of ****** odds is going to matter in terms of legality.

I cannot see why there would be a huge leagal system that would have to get involved.

In game money which is not real money and cannot be traded for real money makes it a virtual asset always owned by CCP according to their terms and conditions.

Iceland does not have to answer to UK or US or international law on this matter. Look how many gambling apps are on phones and tablets and free to play. you think they have a whole backing legal team ??

Walking on stations would be a great idea with casinos and bars. CCP could easily make a fair system where an game item is the rewarded item. Once the game has ben started nothing can be touched or changed until the game is won. This way games can be created very easily with no ways of cheating or able to remove the winning item(s). they could also add in a % for tax on winnings over a X ammount like they do with taxes for mission rewards to corporation taxes.

These would be used by players who are waiting on a station for a fleet to form or waiting for a delivery of goods. Or during times of war safely inside a station you can hide and play.

This also would be good since Starcitizen is progressing quite well and having something like this to please players would put quite a few smiles on players faces.

Other games like startrek online already have walking on stations but CCP already have the answer for the silly stand still spawn numbers. once they go offline they unspawn. Or X ammount of time.

Once this has been achived, other spin offs like missions with walking on sites could potentally be a game changer as in something diffrent to the game mixing ships and FPS.