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The Nature of Experience as a Capsuleer
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Makoto Priano
Kirkinen-Arataka Transhuman Zenith Consulting Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#1 - 2016-10-20 19:27:24 UTC
Pilots;

This is intended as a more general, abstract discussion of life as a Capsuleer, because so many of us can become combative in our discussions on Galnet. Let's keep this as a clean, more philosophical debate of the issues facing Capsuleers, and avoid degenerating into combativeness as happened there.

In brief, there are some of us who seem to live life purely through the lense of the Neocom; who believe the captain’s quarters and camera drones’ view of space are the sum total of our lives, who become so thoroughly focused on being Capsuleers that they lose sight of our ability to live outside the bounds of the Neocom.

While the other discussion centered on the terms of the Yulai Convention, my response there remains my response generally. Would you pillory a pilot for being unable to provide the full text of the Scriptures, or the Republic or Federation constitutions, or the latest CEP trade board’s minutes? Clearly, there are a great many documents we have access to, at least in part or in full, that aren’t Neocom-compatible.

So, speaking more generally-- how do we reconcile this? How do we educate pilots who’ve become so distanced from Baseliners that they forget that they themselves can Baseline? How do we overcome the gap created by the Neocom's limitations?

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Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#2 - 2016-10-20 19:59:38 UTC
Well, there once was on this very forum a thread with various resources (( that page with the links to the the official info that was stickied to the top )) that disappeared a while ago. If there was a way to not only bring that back but expand upon it with non official but verified info for us to cite, that would be a major help. Obviously maintaining it would be a major project, but I would think if there was something similar it would help. Anyone who would do something should be rewarded for such a service or atleast an honorable mention.

(( Thanks backstage! Great work so far, I wish you got some credit here ))
Valerie Valate
Church of The Crimson Saviour
#3 - 2016-10-20 20:15:24 UTC
Makoto Priano wrote:
unable to provide the full text of the Scriptures


I was told, by Cardinal Graelyn, and I'm sure many other people who were around at the time could verify this, anyway, Cardinal Graelyn said to me, that when the Order of Saint Tetrimon requested assistance to move one of their copies of The Scriptures, that even in electronic form, the volume involved was such that it filled several Bestowers.

So, I think some people greatly underestimate the sheer size of "The Full Text of The Scriptures".

Doctor V. Valate, Professor of Archaeology at Kaztropolis Imperial University.
Karmilla Strife
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#4 - 2016-10-20 21:01:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Karmilla Strife
Valerie Valate wrote:
Makoto Priano wrote:
unable to provide the full text of the Scriptures


I was told, by Cardinal Graelyn, and I'm sure many other people who were around at the time could verify this, anyway, Cardinal Graelyn said to me, that when the Order of Saint Tetrimon requested assistance to move one of their copies of The Scriptures, that even in electronic form, the volume involved was such that it filled several Bestowers.

So, I think some people greatly underestimate the sheer size of "The Full Text of The Scriptures".


That's partly because the Scriptures include among other things the sum of Amarrian history, science, mathematics, philosophy, and what amounts to census and biographical data stretching back thousands of years. I'd wager the book of records alone took up several of those bestowers.
Makoto Priano
Kirkinen-Arataka Transhuman Zenith Consulting Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#5 - 2016-10-20 22:49:15 UTC
Hm! I often forget the vastness of the Scriptures, and that they include such things as others would consider prosaic.

Perhaps not the best example, then!

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Jjaro Durandal
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#6 - 2016-10-20 23:36:47 UTC
I vote more parties. Parties, gatherings, and what-have-you. In secure environments of course, to prevent any 'mishaps'.
Elmund Egivand
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#7 - 2016-10-21 01:37:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Elmund Egivand
Makoto Priano wrote:
Pilots;

This is intended as a more general, abstract discussion of life as a Capsuleer, because so many of us can become combative in our discussions on Galnet. Let's keep this as a clean, more philosophical debate of the issues facing Capsuleers, and avoid degenerating into combativeness as happened there.

In brief, there are some of us who seem to live life purely through the lense of the Neocom; who believe the captain’s quarters and camera drones’ view of space are the sum total of our lives, who become so thoroughly focused on being Capsuleers that they lose sight of our ability to live outside the bounds of the Neocom.

While the other discussion centered on the terms of the Yulai Convention, my response there remains my response generally. Would you pillory a pilot for being unable to provide the full text of the Scriptures, or the Republic or Federation constitutions, or the latest CEP trade board’s minutes? Clearly, there are a great many documents we have access to, at least in part or in full, that aren’t Neocom-compatible.

So, speaking more generally-- how do we reconcile this? How do we educate pilots who’ve become so distanced from Baseliners that they forget that they themselves can Baseline? How do we overcome the gap created by the Neocom's limitations?



Start by bridging connection to the databanks with said information to our Neocom because Spirits above! What kind of bastard puts the Neocom connections to all sorts of really useful information under a bloody Great Firewall of Space and Time?

Otherwise, just bloody admit that there are some things that are really locked away from our view and never make claims that can't be backed up.

Yes. I am holding a grudge. Grudges for everyone! Big Books of Grudges!

A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.
Makoto Priano
Kirkinen-Arataka Transhuman Zenith Consulting Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#8 - 2016-10-21 02:06:08 UTC
Grrr! Grudges!

K. Hey, Elmund, can you get me a copy of the Republic constitution? ;)

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Arrendis
TK Corp
#9 - 2016-10-21 02:36:25 UTC
Just sayin'—Ali offered a billion ISK when she wanted documentation.
Elmund Egivand
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#10 - 2016-10-21 02:42:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Elmund Egivand
Makoto Priano wrote:
Grrr! Grudges!

K. Hey, Elmund, can you get me a copy of the Republic constitution? ;)


Nope! Can't do that! Not in anywhere accessible! Parliament or Tribal Council thought we aren't important enough to read the darn thing!

Yes, I am aware that I had just implied that the head honchos of the Republic are a bunch of bastards!

Urrgh! Times like these, I remember exactly why I didn't throw my lot in with the Republic Fleet.

((Seriously though. I don't have a single clue on how to write up a Constitution. I am also sure the Constitution had changed ever since the Republic dissolved the Parliament, established the Tribal Council and re-establish the Parliament as an executor body))

A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.
Arrendis
TK Corp
#11 - 2016-10-21 02:54:58 UTC
Hold out for the billion, Elmund!
Elmund Egivand
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#12 - 2016-10-21 03:10:13 UTC
Arrendis wrote:
Hold out for the billion, Elmund!


I will do some digging and see if any of my baseliner contacts can help. No promises.

A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.
Alizabeth Vea
Doomheim
#13 - 2016-10-21 03:32:29 UTC
Makoto Priano wrote:
Grrr! Grudges!

K. Hey, Elmund, can you get me a copy of the Republic constitution? ;)


The Republic constitution is written in crayon on a wall somewhere. Say what you will about it, at least the pictures are pretty.

Retainer of Lady Newelle and House Sarum.

"Those who step into the light shall be redeemed, the sins of their past cleansed, so that they may know salvation." -Empress Jamyl Sarum I

Virtue. Valor. Victory.
Elmund Egivand
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#14 - 2016-10-21 03:56:29 UTC
Alizabeth Vea wrote:
Makoto Priano wrote:
Grrr! Grudges!

K. Hey, Elmund, can you get me a copy of the Republic constitution? ;)


The Republic constitution is written in crayon on a wall somewhere. Say what you will about it, at least the pictures are pretty.


I will send you a bag of mouldy coffee beans for that.

A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.
Arrendis
TK Corp
#15 - 2016-10-21 05:12:26 UTC
Psst! Elmund!

The Super Secret Republic Archives wrote:

The Tribes of the Minmatar Nation, in accordance with the collective will of the people, and in the spirit of harmony with the ancient ways of our ancestors, with a care for the common well-being of our people, the continued defense against those who would destroy us, and to secure the rights of Self-Rule and Independence, do establish this Constitution for the Minmatar Republic.

Section I


Part 1.

  1. The Rights of the Tribes on all matters internal to one Tribe shall be Inviolate and Sovereign. No Tribe shall have the right to compel any other Tribe to subordinate their judgment to the other, or to resolve any internal dispute or condition in any way counter to the judgment of the Tribe in question.
  2. No Tribe shall have an inherent claim of primacy on any matter involving two or more Tribes, or directly related to interests external to the Minmatar Nation, or the Tribal Republic.


Part 2.

  1. In all matters external to the activities of a single Tribe, Legislative authority shall be invested in the judgments of a Council of all of the Tribes, which shall be created and empowered to establish Laws and ratify Treaties by which all of the Tribes and their agents shall be bound.
  2. The Council shall consist of one Representative from each Tribe. This Representative shall be the Chief of that Tribe or a surrogate appointed by the Chief in accordance with the laws and requirements of that Tribe.
  3. The Council of the Tribes shall meet directly at least four times per Standard Year at the Great Caravanserai on Matar, with additional meetings as necessitated by circumstance or at the discretion of the Council.
  4. Upon the occasion of the first meeting in each session of the Council of Tribes, each Chief shall present to a joint meeting of the full Council of the Tribes and Tribal Assembly, a Chief’s Declaration. The purpose of this Declaration shall be to establish and outline the issues, agendas, and positions of that Tribe for the coming Council.


Part 3.

  1. The Council of the Tribes shall be advised by a Tribal Assembly, formed of representatives of all the Tribes, and invested with the authority to draft and suggest Legislation, and consult on the ratification of Treaties.
  2. The Tribal Assembly shall have an advisory position on the Council of the Tribes. This position shall be filled by a member of the Assembly in accordance with the rules and procedures the Assembly shall establish for itself. This advisory position shall have no authority to ratify or reject Treaties or Legislation, and shall not be counted among a consensus, but shall be empowered to speak before the Council on all issues in order to provide advice and counsel.
  3. Each Tribe’s representation within the Assembly shall be determined by the proportionate population of the Tribes within the Tribal Republic. The total membership of the Tribal Assembly shall be a number determined by the Council of the Tribes, and which allows for each Tribe to contribute no less than two Representatives. This number shall be reviewed by the Council once every ten Standard Years.
  4. Each Tribe shall send Representatives to the Assembly who are selected in a manner in accordance with the laws and intentions of that Tribe. The selection of Representatives shall be considered an internal matter to each Tribe. Thus, the selection will remain the sole jurisdiction of each Tribe.
  5. The Tribal Assembly shall be considered to be in session at any such time as the Council of the Tribes is meeting, and at additional times as established by such Rules as the Assembly shall establish.

Arrendis
TK Corp
#16 - 2016-10-21 05:13:16 UTC
It Also wrote:

Section II


Part 1.

  1. The Executive Authority of the Minmatar Republic shall be invested in the Office of the Sanmatar.
  2. The selection of the Sanmatar will be made by the Council of the Tribes, and shall be done from among those individuals the Council feels have warranted consideration for such Office.
  3. The term of service of the Sanmatar shall be a life-long appointment, until and unless such time should arise that the Council shall demonstrate no confidence in the current Officeholder, and agree upon his or her successor.
  4. Being the representative and vessel of the combined Will of all of the Tribes, the Sanmatar must sever ties with his or her Tribe. Direct familial ties, such as a spouse, children, and the like, need not be severed, but the Sanmatar shall not be considered a member of any Tribe or Clan during the term of service in that Office.


Part 2.

  1. The Sanmatar shall serve as the Presiding Officer of the Council of the Tribes, and shall break any deadlocks the Council may suffer, whether by absence, abstention, indecision, or other circumstances that may arise.
  2. The Sanmatar shall have the power to negotiate Treaties, Accords, and other Agreements with other Sovereign Powers for the consideration of the Council of the Tribes, subject to ratification by consensus, rather than majority opinion, among the Council.
  3. The Sanmatar shall have the authority to direct the Admiralty of the Republic Fleet and Republic Security Services, as well as all Militias in service to the Minmatar Republic, as Commander-in-Chief, in accordance with the advice and expressed Will of the Council.
  4. The Sanmatar shall have the authority to issue a request for additional military forces from any or all of the Tribes, sufficient to sudden or imminent need. Upon receipt of such a request the Tribe or Tribes will return an answer within three Standard Days (72 hrs).
  5. Without such request and corresponding agreement by the individual Tribe, the authority of the Sanmatar does not extend to the Military or Militia forces of the individual Tribes.


Section III


The Council of the Tribes shall be invested with the authority to modify, alter, or negate any sections of this Constitution whenever such time as three-fourths of the membership of the Council deem such action to be necessary. These alterations, modifications, or negations shall take effect at such time as the Council dictates, following ratification by a consensus of the Council, and absent any direct objection on the part of the Sanmatar. Once in effect, these alterations, modifications, or negations shall be equal and co-eval with the remainder of this Constitution and all Treaties, Agreements, and Accords as the supreme law of the Minmatar Republic. The Council of the Tribes shall make no modifications to this Constitution which abrogates the internal sovereignty of any or all of the individual Tribes.
Alizabeth Vea
Doomheim
#17 - 2016-10-21 05:15:00 UTC
It's just not as majestic when you don't read it in original crayon.

Retainer of Lady Newelle and House Sarum.

"Those who step into the light shall be redeemed, the sins of their past cleansed, so that they may know salvation." -Empress Jamyl Sarum I

Virtue. Valor. Victory.
Arrendis
TK Corp
#18 - 2016-10-21 05:15:42 UTC
And so, as you can clearly see, CONCORD's a bunch of jerks, and the Republic is a fine, open society.
Elmund Egivand
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#19 - 2016-10-21 06:44:19 UTC
I see you deserve the ISK more than I do.

((Put that in backstage wiki please?))

A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.
Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Doomheim
#20 - 2016-10-21 07:47:10 UTC
CONCORD once had a store where capsuleers could buy all sorts of merchandise and among these was a treatise ( Handbook Sigma Omega Rho 37 -- Archival Database Zero Kappa colloquially referred to as Source ) on all the history, culture, and data about signatories.

However, since CONCORD closed that store and took down their CRC databases I can only assume a plot is afoot to create some revisionist history.

Although as an aside, it's unfortunate I can't get one of those Inner Circle mystery codes because I'm told they've proven to be very useful and owners are all glad they got one.

Kurilaivonen|Concern
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