Ships & Modules

Orca will have 6 high slots (3 more than current) and will still support 3 boost modules. It will also have hull bonus for shield boosts. Modules are also more flexible - you can boost range, reload and boost yield with the same module. Far more powerful than the current ship. What we lose is the ability to boost the entire system from the safety of a POS and boosts wear off and need to be reapplied after a couple of minutes so the Orca pilot needs to be there. If you're on-grid anyway, it's all good. 3 times the ore capacity, capable of mining as much as an exhumer, much stronger tank, there's a good reason why the price of the ship is up 20% since the specs were announced!

The English version of the word is 'Fix'. The general meaning of the word is to "adjust, improve, and repair." Not to be confused with affix or fixated.

When you translate it to Icelandic, it converts to "Destroy, break, and render useless by all previous standards".
This is possibly a language barrier issue, and it should have been addressed many years ago.

Tantrum huh? Then explain why when I fit three Mining Foreman command boosts it won't let me undock? Go into Singularity and try it for yourself before you spout off stuff.

Singularity is a TEST server. If things there don't work as expected, try checking the test server feedback thread. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=495960&find=unread

This is a known issue affecting all command ships and has been under discussion since the 15th.

I don't suppose it had occurred to you that the full array of changes hasn't actually been deployed on Singularity yet, hm?

No, of course not.

You were too busy throwing a tantrum to realize anything as obvious as that.

It had occurred to me in fact if you read my very next post you'd have realised this instead you chose to rail on me like a little girl.

I understand that things aren't set in concrete but what I don't understand is why they would hobble this on Singularity when it's simply a module acting the same way as before with only a slight variance. We're supposed to be testing this stuff but we're not getting a good picture as to how it's going to work. As can be seen my first look at the system is completely broken so NOT a good first impression.

I do rescind my comments about this sucking, at least until the final release.

No you don't.


Before: Three mining links, 1 for range, 1 for capacitor, 1 for cycle time.

New: Three mining links, 1 for range (more than before even), 1 for cycle time AND capacitor, 1 for mining crystal duration, AND you have the ability to run powerful shield links at the expense of a rig or 2, or just dont run the crystal duration link.



Because even CCP has admitted they aren't fully working on the test server yet. This might blow your mind, but things on the test server aren't in a finished state. You WILL be able to fit 3 mining links, and undock.

I'll talk slowly because you might then understand something.

The
modules
work.
I
found
no
problems
with
them.

But,
I
can't
test
them
as
I
normally
would
because
there
is
an
artificial
limitation
imposed
on
them.

Do
I
expect
things
to
be
perfect
on
a
test
server?

NO.

Do
I
expect
things
to
be
useable
on
a
PUBLIC
test
server?

YES.

Bloody hell. This is not rocket science here people. How come Apple can release two operating systems to the public that are pretty feature rich and CCP can't release fully working modules for us to test? I mean how is this testing if we can't actually use the modules the way we normally would, the way THEY want us to use the modules? That's the whole point of testing publicly.

Sure things are going to break but that's the point of bug reports.

The modules work, the modules work well, this was the case from day one, but this is stuff that should have been done internally. Having three modules running is stuff that should have been working internally. These should have been done before it was released publicly so that people can test it properly.

The point of public testing is to catch any issues that arise from the various machine specs out there. That's why Apple releases public betas of their OS so that they can catch issues before the final release. That's not to say that the initial release is final. Things can change because of issues people raise, or because they figure a better way to do things, or whatever.

But saying "Here's the module, please test it out, get a feel for it's use, try and use it how we intended, tell us of issues..." and then release a version that allows for only a handful of that is NOT testing the module because you can't test it according to how it would be used. In this case we can't test it fully boosting miners because we can't use all the modules at the same time.

I've done enough testing on various projects to know what is good feature testing and bad feature testing and getting someone to test a module in a real world way but preventing this from being done is BAD feature testing.

In development, you start with a "minimum viable product" and add functionality. You do not start with a feature complete system and then try to figure out where problem is when something doesn't work. Systems integration is a step by step process. Apple, Microsoft and others have beta test groups that work with them at this stage in the process - I am part of a similar test group for my employer and generally get new releases a couple of weeks before general deployment.

At CCP, Singularity is the test environment. new features are put there as MVP's and functionality is added as the test proceeds. If you don't want to participate in the process - wait for the general release on Tranquility.

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