Warfare & Tactics

OP your problem is totally fixable and has already been addressed. Maybe instead of whining you should actually learn how to survive in those situations.

Okay, so the first thing you must be aware of is kill rights and wardecs. You should also be careful of sucide ganking if you're carrying cargo valued in the tens of millions or higher.

Now, here is what you must do to survive. As soon as you undock, don't warp, don't move, don't do anything. Just coast out and stay on your invincibility timer. You look at all the ships which are on grid with you and do a quick risk assessment. If any of those are war targets, hostile vessels, criminal status, lock onto you, or look in any way threatening. You click the station and dock... It really is that simple.

Really, the people here talking about insta undocks are right. If your insta undock is good, the insta locking Loki wont be able to lock you - ever. The entirety of EVE proves that insta undock bookmarks do work multiple times every second. Dont just deny there is a mistake on your part when the game and many of the players prove otherwise. Including me. I use them like 80% of the times i undock. And yes, i know what an insta locking Loki is, i station camp a lot myself and i am in FW.

Creating the spot is absolutely trivial in Amarr as you just need to burn roughly down and the tactical overview offers you a vertical line that goes right through the undocking vector for you to check until the line is absolutely vertical. (maybe the new version doesnt, yet it is still trivial compared to like the caldari 20° up undocking vector station)

You need to stay calm and know your options, that is all.
- First of all you need to realize he is there.
- If you have an insta undock just use it and ignore him (and for gods sake, if you feel the need to do so, check your angle towards it, the light blue arrow)
- Else if you want to do anything but warp, press ctrl+space and you have a full 30s of invulnerability. Yes, invulnerability. You can just dock back up. Just dont do anything else but ctrl+space or that invul will break.


So all in all this topic is just a random rant of you because you f**** up and got exploded and now you are fighting back to people pointing that out.

This is the only correct course of action after any loss in EVE, ever.

Because people like you make it possible by laziness and unwillingness to adapt. Purely the fact that you rage quit over things like this proves you would rather cry than change your plan. EvE isn;t supposed to be safe or risk free anywhere. Just because you like the idea of quick casual PvP doesn't mean that's how it works all the time (although it could work like that if you just tried to help yourself a bit).

Everything in EvE happens in 1 second ticks.

1) I so t particularly like how jiggly instaundock bookmarks can be to create, involving all manner of complication of different station types etc. I dont think this kind of micromanagement contributes much to the game. I understand its 9art of "getgud" and taking precautions, but its just very fiddly in implementation.

2) As others have pointed out, you can just redock while immune if you see this Loki.

3) You can easily create a neutral hauling alt on the same account. Or to create/share a functional instaundock bookmark for that station.This is anyways a universal requirement for wardecced corps and FW. This is not even up for dispute. Consider yourself lucky its even possible to have neutral alts in unwardeccabke NPC corps.

4) Why dont you simply alert your FW faction to come and kill the Loki? Its quite a juicy target.

5) As above poster, I think you can simply leave FW and rejoin it. I dont think there is any substantial penalty.

You are repeatedly trying to do the wrong thing, ignoring options, and expecting different results.
The Loki is not your primary problem, your refusal to adapt and use available options while stubbornly doing the wrong thing over and over, is your problem.

I like you...

I am going to come and say hello to you.

This is your basic problem here. You don't undock at a random angle, its within a cone of (IIRC) 20 degrees from the undock point. Anything more & Jita 4M4-CNAP would be blocked 24/7/365.

So if you're not in a vertical undock station (these are lovely) then you're probably going to have to try four or five undock burns/cloaky drifts to find (& maintain) a decent midpoint in the undock "cone". Make lots of bookmarks as you go. Redock.

Once you've done that you do a trial run with something cheap & crappy (T1 hauler) & see how fast it warps to the undock bookmark (not your final one). If you're not dead then try it a few more times.

If you're happy with it then warp to the final bookmark, maintain speed and burn/drift out to your required distance.

I've insta-undocked/jumped JFs this way in low-sec with "instalockers" on the undock.

You want a perfect undock? You can have one but you need to put in the work if its not vertical.

Or you could just not fly stuff that dies to a instalocking loki. Dont fly in your ship in a pvp fit if you are flying in highsec, weapons go offline, max tank (the t1 stuff is super cheap), lows either full of stabs if you expect there to be people pointing you, nanos to not get caught at all or tank.


I mean if we look at OPs last loss (which was to the loki in amarr) https://zkillboard.com/kill/56645553/

[Confessor, Tuevo Forth's Confessor]
Adaptive Nano Plating II
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II
Tracking Enhancer II
Small Ancillary Armor Repairer,Nanite Repair Paste

10MN Monopropellant Enduring Afterburner
J5 Enduring Warp Disruptor
X5 Enduring Stasis Webifier

Improved Cloaking Device II
Dual Light Beam Laser II,Standard S
Dual Light Beam Laser II,Standard S
Dual Light Beam Laser II,Standard S
Dual Light Beam Laser II,Standard S
Expanded Probe Launcher II,Sisters Combat Scanner Probe

Small Ancillary Current Router II
Small Anti-Kinetic Pump II
Small Anti-Thermal Pump II


A couple of things are to note here (the fit is really bad btw, you ought to change that), firstly the only way to die with that ship in that fit is to be in the wrong mode, the loki cant oneshot you if you are in defmode. Even with that fit.


What you easily could have done would be to offline the mid and highslots and put your lowslots into your cargohold and equip two t1 400mm plates, a t1 dcu and a t1 eanm. And now the loki needs 5+ perfect hits to kill you (or over 40 seconds even with heat).


Or you could have equiped 3 MSE Is and put a t1 dcu and nanos/stabs into the lows, would still survive the arty loki and be able to warp away instead of having to redock if the loki has a point.



So this really is purely L2P. even an interceptor or a t1 frig can be made not to die to that.




And then once you leave the hub you dock in a station 1 jump away and refit to your combat fit. The t1 mods are basicely 0 isk anyways. Or, what most people do, you travel fit your ship till you are where you want to be, i.e you make it instawarp + tanky and theres 0 chance of you dying from non consentual pvp.




And if that fails (which it really shouldnt), and you dont want to use an alt or anything, just dock, buy everything and then use red frog to ship it to where you want it.



Yes highsec pvp is lame as hell and the people doing that have 0 skil but you can easily play around it.





Also, even in that fit, you could have easily soloed the legion btw. Change into def for the first shot, heated 10mn in propmode + rep and point it while manually piloting to stay under the guns and you have a dead loki.

Im sorry but this is total bullshit.

Members of our corporation have been threatened with a ban twice, for doing the exact same high sec camping in minmatar highsec

while minmatar seemingly get free camping rights.

total ******* bullshit.

the bias is strong.

All is working as intended. Carry on now people, nothing to see here.