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[IKAME] Directive Alpha Gamma 12 and the Society

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Alizabeth Vea
Doomheim
#61 - 2016-10-19 17:38:38 UTC
Let's not assume that Mr. Victorian speaks for ARC or IKAME. He's just one pilot posting. Whatever insult given is his own.

As for the rest: it's too early for me to even get into it.
I will say that it's generally a bad idea to insult people with super fleets.

Retainer of Lady Newelle and House Sarum.

"Those who step into the light shall be redeemed, the sins of their past cleansed, so that they may know salvation." -Empress Jamyl Sarum I

Virtue. Valor. Victory.

Ashlar Vellum
Esquire Armaments
#62 - 2016-10-19 19:02:42 UTC
Woah there slinging around that super fleet left and right, that's just not classy.
Makoto Priano
Kirkinen-Arataka Transhuman Zenith Consulting Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#63 - 2016-10-19 19:11:29 UTC
Arrendis; you are mistaken. We are continuing to use the Caracals and Scythes as a mainline with core pilots in Basilisks, as we have since the development of the doctrine. I wonder where you got the wrong impression? Maker, for that matter, not even Alizabeth will be using the Basilisks shortly, given that she's already shifted to a new doctrine.

So-- you're provably wrong twice over, and have used Kim's posting, of all things, as a goad.

So I say again. Let's let this lie. There are more important matters than your forumwarrioring for pretend Galnet points.

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Arrendis
TK Corp
#64 - 2016-10-19 19:29:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Arrendis
Makoto Priano wrote:
Arrendis; you are mistaken. We are continuing to use the Caracals and Scythes as a mainline with core pilots in Basilisks, as we have since the development of the doctrine. I wonder where you got the wrong impression?


From the doctrine fits in your own channel, which lists only Caracals, Bellicoses, and Scythes. You know, since I'm still in the ops channel, unlike all of the other people you forcibly excluded while telling me you hadn't.
Makoto Priano
Kirkinen-Arataka Transhuman Zenith Consulting Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#65 - 2016-10-19 19:33:04 UTC
Arrendis, please consult with Alizabeth before you continue on this path.

I again advise you to let this lie.

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Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#66 - 2016-10-19 19:38:02 UTC
I wanna be in the OPs channel too...

A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.

Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#67 - 2016-10-19 19:43:25 UTC
I told you where to find it.......
Arrendis
TK Corp
#68 - 2016-10-19 19:46:17 UTC
Makoto Priano wrote:
Arrendis, please consult with Alizabeth before you continue on this path.


I already have. I was simply answering your question. If you're using the ships, then by all means, please, continue to do so.
Makoto Priano
Kirkinen-Arataka Transhuman Zenith Consulting Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#69 - 2016-10-19 19:49:38 UTC
With material misrepresentations of fact.

But we're done with this, so let's let it lie.

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Alizabeth Vea
Doomheim
#70 - 2016-10-19 20:02:57 UTC
Arrendis, kirjuun, we've been through a lot together. So, please, when I ask you to let this go, do it? They do still use Basilisks. I know because I consulted with Priano-haani after they lost one: Darkezero's--who also flies with SERAPH. (More to the point, I offered to sell them SERAPH's Basilisk inventory when we changed doctrines.) Yes, I know it's a messy situation, but ARC and SERAPH are both fighting the same war. Sometimes with the same pilots. More to the point, the Basilisk was never open to all of ARC's pilots, only specific people within the Coord Team. That's just part of running public fleets. When a ship is mission critical, make sure the pilots in there are good. You don't let just any Goon in an anchor position, do you?

Mr. Victorian is a moron too stupid to understand who he is insulting half the time. That's as factual and blunt as I can get. He managed to earn the ire of Elise Randolph and now you (and more than a bit of mine, to be fair). But can you really blame Priano-haani for coming to the aid of her pilot? That's a very Goony thing to do. Help your people first; worry about right and wrong later. And, unless I've misread this, Mr. Victorian is not speaking for anyone but himself really. Write him off as an idiot and move on.

Please don't drag ARC into this. In a way, me leaving has worked out for the better. I can do what I want now with regards to ships, tactics, and doctrine with no one in a position to hold me back. My time with ARC worked out well for both myself and ARC. I got the skills, knowledge, and, most importantly, confidence to step out on my own. They got a working lossless doctrine and a friend that works with them on tactics. There's been a lot of back channel communication between Priano-haani and myself that hasn't been public until now. It's actually much better for me (probably Makoto) when we talk to each other as equals--both leaders of our own initiatives. Since SERAPH has not really been announced publicly, some things were left unsaid. Hopefully that will be corrected in the next few days.

To sum it up:
ARC is good people that still use Basilisks.
Priano-haani looks out for her people.
Mr. Victorian is an idiot that needs to stop insulting people that can organize super fleets, or, worse in this case, Hole Squad.
Arrendis is still my best friend.

Retainer of Lady Newelle and House Sarum.

"Those who step into the light shall be redeemed, the sins of their past cleansed, so that they may know salvation." -Empress Jamyl Sarum I

Virtue. Valor. Victory.

Lunarisse Aspenstar
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#71 - 2016-10-19 20:30:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Lunarisse Aspenstar
Jaret Victorian wrote:
Frankly, I'm not responsible for your inability to use galnets. Next thing you'll tell me is that you don't know how many days a year on Athra is or that Scope News come out once a couple of weeks instead of each hour.


25.8 days on Athra, Amarr III

http://evemaps.dotlan.net/system/Amarr/III
Arrendis
TK Corp
#72 - 2016-10-19 20:39:33 UTC
Ashlar Vellum wrote:
Woah there slinging around that super fleet left and right, that's just not classy.


Alizabeth Vea wrote:
Mr. Victorian is an idiot that needs to stop insulting people that can organize super fleets, or, worse in this case, Hole Squad.


I'd just like to point out here, since this is now repeatedly coming up, that at no point have I threatened anyone involved in this discussion with our supers, caps, or Hole Squad. I did give Makoto a cautionary heads-up that Hole Squad had had reason to not hunt them, and those reasons no longer applied with Alizabeth's departure, but I also at least attempted to make it clear that I had absolutely no intentions of trying to convince Dod, Corb, or anyone else that they should do so. It was intended as 'hey, just be aware of this', not any kind of threat.

That said, Makoto, I answered your question. Now I'm answerined Alizabeth's. Don't feel like you have to respond.

Quote:
But can you really blame Priano-haani for coming to the aid of her pilot?


No. I don't blame her at all for coming to the aid of her pilot. That doesn't mean I'm going to just sit there and take it when she comes in saying 'we all should just calm down and relax' and then immediately follows up with saying that I've been the one who 'was profligate with insults' when I hadn't actually insulted her pilot, but he'd sure as feck insulted me. You called him foolish. Elmund said he was procrastinating and suffering from cognitive dissonance. What did I say to insult him? That he was 'amazingly superior'? But I'm the one who was 'recklessly extravagant or wasteful' with the insults?

I don't blame her for coming to the aid of her pilot. But I most certainly reserve the right to blame her for lying about me because it's a lot easier to 'grr goons' than address that her pilot's being demonstrably proven wrong by at least two other people she can't just whip up public sentiment against for the high crime of their alliance affiliations.

And even at that point, if she's using those basilisks, then I'm more than happy to see them used. And when they get blown up, I'll even honor my commitment to replace the bloody things, because I said I would. As far as I'm concerned, the matter's settled. That doesn't mean that if someone asks me a damned question, I'm not going to answer it for fear of 'oh no, you're talking about the incident!!', though.

Anyone who expects that should just cancel their clone contracts and shoot themselves in the head.

So, you asked. I answered. If you want to let this lie, stop asking the freaking questions.
Alizabeth Vea
Doomheim
#73 - 2016-10-19 20:44:20 UTC
It is my fault with regards to the super fleet. It was more of an illustration about the power null blocs have. Pilots like Arrendis and Elise Randolph are generally pilots one should go out of their way to avoid insulting. Arrendis has made no threats. So, I apologize if I sounded like I was making one for her.

Retainer of Lady Newelle and House Sarum.

"Those who step into the light shall be redeemed, the sins of their past cleansed, so that they may know salvation." -Empress Jamyl Sarum I

Virtue. Valor. Victory.

Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#74 - 2016-10-19 20:46:44 UTC
What questions?

A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.

Arrendis
TK Corp
#75 - 2016-10-19 21:17:37 UTC
Claudia Osyn wrote:
What questions?


The ones I quoted. P
Elmund Egivand
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#76 - 2016-10-20 02:59:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Elmund Egivand
I am not going to ask for any forgiveness or excuse my behaviour.

I absolutely despise it when someone makes a claim they can't back up. I also have many other things that I absolutely despise. Do any of these and I am liable to fly off the handle.

This is my biggest beef with Jaret. He made a claim he can't back up, deflects or misdirects when challenged to back up said claim and won't stop doing it. Either apologise or shut up. I accept 'shutting up' as an acknowledgement of being wrong because I am well aware that some people are just too damned prideful to ever say 'Oh, I made a mistake, my bad.'

The last part is directed to some people. You know who you are. Or you don't because you are a blind hypocritical f--kwit.

A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.

Alizabeth Vea
Doomheim
#77 - 2016-10-20 05:36:32 UTC
I think that we all need to stop taking the IGS so seriously. The IGS is for posting genocidal songs, insulting poems, press releases (that might actually be serious), pseudoposturing, Diana Kim to explain that this reason is why the Federation should be destroyed, nitpicks, insults, gossip and serial commas.

Retainer of Lady Newelle and House Sarum.

"Those who step into the light shall be redeemed, the sins of their past cleansed, so that they may know salvation." -Empress Jamyl Sarum I

Virtue. Valor. Victory.

Valerie Valate
Church of The Crimson Saviour
#78 - 2016-10-20 05:38:47 UTC
Never forgive, never forget.

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Alizabeth Vea
Doomheim
#79 - 2016-10-20 05:51:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Alizabeth Vea
I don't know if the comma after beefs is supposed to be intentional and therefore funny, or not. I am going to assume it was and chuckle.

Retainer of Lady Newelle and House Sarum.

"Those who step into the light shall be redeemed, the sins of their past cleansed, so that they may know salvation." -Empress Jamyl Sarum I

Virtue. Valor. Victory.

Elmund Egivand
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#80 - 2016-10-20 06:23:28 UTC
Valerie Valate wrote:
Never forgive, never forget.

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Keep track of all the insults, slights, affronts, and beefs, that you have with everyone and anyone, arranged in an easy-to-read format !

With the GrudgeMaster3000, you too can bear grudges like a champion.

GrudgeMaster3000, coming soon to an electronics outlet near you*.



*Not for sale in the Federation.


I order 20. I happen to be in Jita right now.

A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.