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[news] New Capsuleer Cloning Technology Developments Already in Use...

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Samira Kernher
Cail Avetatu
#21 - 2016-10-16 01:11:27 UTC
Disappointing.
Yarosara Ruil
#22 - 2016-10-16 01:19:55 UTC
I'll look back fondly to how being a capsuleer was like being an exclusive club of people that won the genetic lottery.

Nah, who am I kidding! This is exactly what New Eden needs! More capsuleers! People haven been negleting on their anarchy, and someone needs to pick the slack right?
Elmund Egivand
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#23 - 2016-10-16 06:00:11 UTC
Yarosara Ruil wrote:
I'll look back fondly to how being a capsuleer was like being an exclusive club of people that won the genetic lottery.

Nah, who am I kidding! This is exactly what New Eden needs! More capsuleers! People haven been negleting on their anarchy, and someone needs to pick the slack right?


Gene-editing for everyone!

A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.

Aldrith Shutaq
Atash e Sarum Vanguard
#24 - 2016-10-16 06:19:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Aldrith Shutaq
Bizarre. The Sisters of EVE evidently have such a strong desire to increase the number of capsuleers in New Eden that they gave the technology to all four empires, then did not tell them the others had it. This naturally drove the governments of each to attempt to press their 'advantage' and rapidly move forward with new capsuleer programs to get the upper-hand on their rivals. Now, it is revealed all four empires are on exactly equal footing still. This basically did CONCORD's job of enforcing technological parity for them.

What could the Sisters possibly gain from this?

Aldrith Ter'neth Shutaq Newelle

Fleet Captain of the Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris

Divine Commodore of the 24th Imperial Crusade

Lord Consort of Lady Mitara Newelle, Champion of House Sarum and Holder of Damnidios Para'nashu

Makoto Priano
Kirkinen-Arataka Transhuman Zenith Consulting Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#25 - 2016-10-16 06:20:43 UTC
That, Lord Consort, is what we'll hopefully find out in the months and years to come.

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Aldrith Shutaq
Atash e Sarum Vanguard
#26 - 2016-10-16 06:24:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Aldrith Shutaq
I would rather like to know right now. It is as though they know something we do not, and I have a suspicion it has to do with a certain force conventional navies have no hope of defeating. I can think of only one force that might be.

They need to reveal what they know about the Drifters immediately.

Aldrith Ter'neth Shutaq Newelle

Fleet Captain of the Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris

Divine Commodore of the 24th Imperial Crusade

Lord Consort of Lady Mitara Newelle, Champion of House Sarum and Holder of Damnidios Para'nashu

Makoto Priano
Kirkinen-Arataka Transhuman Zenith Consulting Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#27 - 2016-10-16 06:26:05 UTC
Oh, I absolutely agree. However, the Sisters are even more taciturn than CONCORD, and that's saying rather a lot.

I suspect we'll learn more from the Society on this front, if the Sisters were attempting to sidestep potential oversight from them.

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Akrasjel Lanate
Immemorial Coalescence Administration
Immemorial Coalescence
#28 - 2016-10-16 07:37:38 UTC
SOE a humanitarian organization but not only, what would be there goal in spreading this superior/inferior technology to what we have used thus far. What would be there agenda, is it part of the original one or something more ?

CEO of Lanate Industries

Citizen of Solitude

Matias Kurovassi
Doomheim
#29 - 2016-10-16 07:52:45 UTC
While confusing that the Servant Sisters who have been the harshest critics of the violence and death propagated by capsuleers to then provide technology to expand their numbers, I think in light of the Drifters and the threat they pose, more capsuleers is a lesser of two evils.
Ashlar Vellum
Esquire Armaments
#30 - 2016-10-16 08:49:31 UTC
Akrasjel Lanate wrote:
SOE a humanitarian organization but not only, what would be there goal in spreading this superior/inferior technology to what we have used thus far. What would be there agenda, is it part of the original one or something more ?

That's the thing, organization that pose as humanitarian and actively helps big four with disaster aid and emergency coordination all of a sudden gives out basics for tech that surely be militarised, sidestepping the regulating body. First thing implies they see a problem with little or no solution without combat escalating and second means they are in a hurry.
Elmund Egivand
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#31 - 2016-10-16 09:17:41 UTC
Kolodi Ramal wrote:
Capsuleers - some of the most powerful people in the world - whining that they aren't the absolute most powerful?


People with power generally do not like to share.

A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.

Valerie Valate
Church of The Crimson Saviour
#32 - 2016-10-16 09:22:00 UTC
Makoto Priano wrote:
I suspect we'll learn more from the Society on this front, if the Sisters were attempting to sidestep potential oversight from them.


There's an angle here. The SOCT claim to be the inheritors of the Jovian legacy. And of course, the successor to the Jovians in terms of... guarding dangerous technology.

Now, what we know of the Jovians, is that their misuse of genetic engineering and cloning, somehow led to the Jovian Disease.

If there's something about this new technology that is dangerous, and may result long-term in an equivalent to the Jovian Disease, then... well, it's obvious why the SoE wouldn't want the SOCT to know about it beforehand. The SOCT would have said "It's too dangerous for you children".

And the SoE probably believe this dangerous technology is necessary to do.... something. Possibly involving the Drifters, and countering the Drifter Menace.


Personally, I don't see what's wrong with the old Takmahl Device, in terms of producing large amounts of cloned bodies on the cheap. Fill it up with planktonic biomass, press button, and et voila, as the Gallente would say. Clones. Thousands of 'em.

Doctor V. Valate, Professor of Archaeology at Kaztropolis Imperial University.

Kolodi Ramal
Sanxing Yi
#33 - 2016-10-16 10:57:53 UTC
Matar Ronin wrote:
While I am less suspicious about the motives of the SOE, Concord demonstrates again it's primary function is just as a police force to contain capsuleers.

Good.

Matar Ronin wrote:
Concord has not demonstrated to me that is functions with the best interests of capsuleers in mind.
Subsequently I do not readily accept them as knowing what is best for capsuleers.
Keeping them out of the loop proves they are not essential. Arguing otherwise is just arguing.

When Concord proves otherwise I will revise my position, until then, I await them proving their current value to capsuleers.
When they do I will be happy, until they do I won't hold my breath.

I hope CONCORD never meets your approval.
Nauplius
Hoi Andrapodistai
#34 - 2016-10-16 13:52:57 UTC
We should make total war upon the Sisters of EVE worlds. Not one brick left upon another; not one blade of grass left standing. They have sown the wind and shall reap the whirlwind.
Kybernetes Moros
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#35 - 2016-10-16 14:15:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Kybernetes Moros
Valerie Valate wrote:
Personally, I don't see what's wrong with the old Takmahl Device, in terms of producing large amounts of cloned bodies on the cheap. Fill it up with planktonic biomass, press button, and et voila, as the Gallente would say. Clones. Thousands of 'em.


That always was a good idea from the Takmahl--and it certainly works well enough for a certain Nation to roll a comparable system out on a grand scale.

What I do find interesting, though, is that the Takmahl were and the Nation are exceedingly good at preventing any loose cannons coming out of the process. Biodroid controllers, command signal receivers, and all those other ingenious gadgets come to mind.

The "Big Four", on the other hand, are more squeamish about that sort of thing--or claim to be, at least. The TCMC can do wonders, and the big-"e" Empire did have more than a passing interest in the Master's first designs, but I suspect that to an audience the little-"e" empires would decry the heavy-duty intervention we like so much to be a very bad thing.

"Expanding the pool of viable candidates for naval capsuleer recruitment" could quickly turn into a lot of wilful clones getting hurled back into the vats until they stumble upon a suitable mindset (effective but controversial!), or a lot of capsuleers who--like many of us--decided on being let loose that the guys that trained them really weren't the best fit in the long run (exciting but risky!).
Matar Ronin
#36 - 2016-10-16 16:34:37 UTC
Kolodi Ramal wrote:
Matar Ronin wrote:
While I am less suspicious about the motives of the SOE, Concord demonstrates again it's primary function is just as a police force to contain capsuleers.

Good.

Matar Ronin wrote:
Concord has not demonstrated to me that is functions with the best interests of capsuleers in mind.
Subsequently I do not readily accept them as knowing what is best for capsuleers.
Keeping them out of the loop proves they are not essential. Arguing otherwise is just arguing.

When Concord proves otherwise I will revise my position, until then, I await them proving their current value to capsuleers.
When they do I will be happy, until they do I won't hold my breath.

I hope CONCORD never meets your approval.
Could you perhaps list the top twenty things Concord actually does to earn your approval sir?

I am from the "question authority school" of thought when it comes to gaining, expanding, and keeping freedom and liberty, I fully understand many other posters here on IGS come from the "grovel at the feet of those in power school" of thought willing just to maintain the status quo no matter how unjust or evil it may be.


‘Vain flame burns fast/and its lick is light/Modest flame lasts long/and burns to the bone.’

" We lost a war we chose not to fight." Without a doubt this is the best way to lose any war and the worst excuse to explain the beating afterwards.

Ayallah
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#37 - 2016-10-16 17:35:04 UTC
Aldrith Shutaq wrote:
Bizarre. The Sisters of EVE evidently have such a strong desire to increase the number of capsuleers in New Eden that they gave the technology to all four empires, then did not tell them the others had it. This naturally drove the governments of each to attempt to press their 'advantage' and rapidly move forward with new capsuleer programs to get the upper-hand on their rivals. Now, it is revealed all four empires are on exactly equal footing still. This basically did CONCORD's job of enforcing technological parity for them.

What could the Sisters possibly gain from this?
Another possibility is that one nation stole or acquired it from the Sisters and they were forced to release to all to cover their tracks or prevent casting a die in an arms race. Of course, it could also be in an effort to increase our chances in open war against the Drifter as is feared. What is odd is how public the Empress was about advances in cloning before this became public via CONCORD and the SoE.

Goddess of the IGS

As strength goes.

Valerie Valate
Church of The Crimson Saviour
#38 - 2016-10-16 17:50:34 UTC
Kybernetes Moros wrote:
Valerie Valate wrote:
Personally, I don't see what's wrong with the old Takmahl Device, in terms of producing large amounts of cloned bodies on the cheap. Fill it up with planktonic biomass, press button, and et voila, as the Gallente would say. Clones. Thousands of 'em.

That always was a good idea from the Takmahl--and it certainly works well enough for a certain Nation to roll a comparable system out on a grand scale.


Well, hello stranger.

How have you been, Dr. Moros ?

Doctor V. Valate, Professor of Archaeology at Kaztropolis Imperial University.

Matar Ronin
#39 - 2016-10-16 18:31:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Matar Ronin
Makoto Priano wrote:
Mr. Ronin;

At present, my only worry is that this was very specifically an attempt to curry favor at the expense of the Society.

And let's be honest. While there are murmurings about the Society, the Sisters have obviously and very directly been involved in the last several years' happenings: Sisters-developed implants recovered from FTL research sites operated by non-CONCORD signatories, Sanctuary colonization of a hitherto-unreachable wormhole system, Sisters-administered analysis of Drifter and Jove tissue samples with Inferno-style, Drifter-developed boosters given as the reward, and even their continued silent presence in the Drifter Hive systems.

Now, they give the empires a new, more robust cloning methodology, while bypassing the organizations who might be best equipped to analyze the risks or dangers of that technology?

Fascinating.
Pilot Priano;
As usual your concerns are based in what I perceive to be realistic possible origins. Like you I shall keep an eye open to see which track might eventually be proven correct.

I do not have the benefit of access to some of the levels of interaction you seem to have with some of these powerful groups so I listen intently when you make statements and post concerns. Something I think reasonable people should do even if they disagree with your conclusions.

While I publicly stated I indeed am am less concerned with the motives of the SOE that does not imply I am proposing a "Hall Pass" for them or any other powerful group in New Eden. Some groups because of my individual biases start off with more trust, but all groups, governments, and organizations are subject to objective verification. What they do must actually benefit humanity in the New Eden Cluster, that is my standard litmus test , and I do my best to uniformly apply it to all.

I believe we all live in dangerous times, yesterday's bitter nemesis may prove to be tomorrow's crucial ally.
A man far wiser than me once said, "I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong."
I will stand with all those willing to protect the future of humanity in the New Eden Cluster current politics or current religious beliefs aside.

‘Vain flame burns fast/and its lick is light/Modest flame lasts long/and burns to the bone.’

" We lost a war we chose not to fight." Without a doubt this is the best way to lose any war and the worst excuse to explain the beating afterwards.

Arrendis
TK Corp
#40 - 2016-10-16 22:55:23 UTC
Ayallah wrote:
What is odd is how public the Empress was about advances in cloning before this became public via CONCORD and the SoE.


Well, CONCORD had been 'openly' discussing 'new cloning technology' with the Empires and the Council for Stellar Management, as detailed in a Scope video some weeks ago.
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