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[news] New Capsuleer Cloning Technology Developments Already in Use...
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Makoto Priano
Kirkinen-Arataka Transhuman Zenith Consulting Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#1 - 2016-10-15 16:44:48 UTC
Interesting news afoot.

While I suspect we were all aware that the Sisters have been developing some novel technologies lately, that they'd sidestep CONCORD and a Society response to provide it to the big four is... fascinating.

Clearly, the game is afoot.

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Ayallah
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2016-10-15 16:48:51 UTC
CONCORD is obsolete.

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As strength goes.
Utari Onzo
Escalated.
OnlyFleets.
#3 - 2016-10-15 16:51:22 UTC
Interesting. While also a little disconcerting.

"Face the enemy as a solid wall For faith is your armor And through it, the enemy will find no breach Wrap your arms around the enemy For faith is your fire And with it, burn away his evil"
Jaret Victorian
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Arataka Research Consortium
#4 - 2016-10-15 17:47:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Jaret Victorian
Having certain suspicions of where this comes from I am more concerned with the fact that they mass distribute tech that didn't go through a proper (and preferably open) vetting process.

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Ayallah
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#5 - 2016-10-15 19:09:17 UTC
What vetting process? The one where CONCORD sits and deliberates on what path humanity can take? Where they make sure that they are not threatened and mankind not harmed by our own advances?

CONCORD is a matron-slave, deciding what is good for the child and what is not. Deciding what the child can know and what its interests can be. And like a child coddled by their nurse, it makes us weak and stupid.

You are like an old dam Jaret, worrying if all this freedom is really good for the child's development.

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Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#6 - 2016-10-15 19:10:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Aria Jenneth
Is there any information available on how this new cloning technology differs from the old?

Specifically, I mean. It must have some substantial advantages, considering all the interest.

I wonder if this has anything to do with all those samples we've been testing for the SOE?
Matar Ronin
#7 - 2016-10-15 19:19:01 UTC
While I am less suspicious about the motives of the SOE, Concord demonstrates again it's primary function is just as a police force to contain capsuleers.

The big four develop this with the assistance of the SOE without Concord being in on it?

I guess one could come to the conclusion that Concord was too busy chasing criminal capsuleers through space to punish them, after the fact, to follow monumental events happening on the ground on multiple planets that will/could reshape the entire New Eden Cluster.

‘Vain flame burns fast/and its lick is light/Modest flame lasts long/and burns to the bone.’

" We lost a war we chose not to fight." Without a doubt this is the best way to lose any war and the worst excuse to explain the beating afterwards.
Jaret Victorian
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#8 - 2016-10-15 19:24:21 UTC
Ayallah wrote:
You are like an old dam Jaret, worrying if all this freedom is really good for the child's development.

Oh I am quite liberal.

Freedom is only good when applied wisely. I like to think that I am at least not stupid, but that's thanks to my status that I am able to think for myself and make my own conclusions based on the information I take time to look through, filter and digest. Many don't have that opportunity.

In this case I simply don't trust the source of the technology.

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Makoto Priano
Kirkinen-Arataka Transhuman Zenith Consulting Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#9 - 2016-10-15 19:31:30 UTC
Mr. Ronin;

At present, my only worry is that this was very specifically an attempt to curry favor at the expense of the Society.

And let's be honest. While there are murmurings about the Society, the Sisters have obviously and very directly been involved in the last several years' happenings: Sisters-developed implants recovered from FTL research sites operated by non-CONCORD signatories, Sanctuary colonization of a hitherto-unreachable wormhole system, Sisters-administered analysis of Drifter and Jove tissue samples with Inferno-style, Drifter-developed boosters given as the reward, and even their continued silent presence in the Drifter Hive systems.

Now, they give the empires a new, more robust cloning methodology, while bypassing the organizations who might be best equipped to analyze the risks or dangers of that technology?

Fascinating.

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Arrendis
TK Corp
#10 - 2016-10-15 19:48:12 UTC
Makoto Priano wrote:
Now, they give the empires a new, more robust cloning methodology, while bypassing the organizations who might be best equipped to analyze the risks or dangers of that technology?


And what exactly do you think makes CONCORD 'best equipped to analyze the risks or dangers' of this technology? Do you think the Empires are incapable of clinical trials? Do you think the SoCT can't conduct the same analysis as CONCORD? CONCORD is interested only in preserving CONCORD's power. The Empires have been best served when they have pointedly made CONCORD remember that CONCORD only exists because the Empires find it useful for it to do so.
Jaret Victorian
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Arataka Research Consortium
#11 - 2016-10-15 19:55:25 UTC
Are you going to provide us with your insightful 4 page analysis on how we are all ignorant of greater politics, Arrendis? Looking forward to read your next issue.

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Makoto Priano
Kirkinen-Arataka Transhuman Zenith Consulting Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#12 - 2016-10-15 20:00:07 UTC
Arrendis, my suspicion is that the Society and CONCORD have, in all likelihood, more complete knowledge of Jovian technology, and probably Drifter technology, than most other organizations.

Certainly, specifically cutting CONCORD and the Society out of the loop was for a reason, and this is the most sensible reason.

Could I be wrong? Oh, sure, absolutely.

But it's not nothing.

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Arrendis
TK Corp
#13 - 2016-10-15 20:02:20 UTC
Jaret Victorian wrote:
Are you going to provide us with your insightful 4 page analysis on how we are all ignorant of greater politics, Arrendis? Looking forward to read your next issue.


I don't have to provide analysis of the things you're willing to demonstrate daily, Jaret.
Arrendis
TK Corp
#14 - 2016-10-15 20:04:35 UTC
Makoto Priano wrote:
Arrendis, my suspicion is that the Society and CONCORD have, in all likelihood, more complete knowledge of Jovian technology, and probably Drifter technology, than most other organizations.

Certainly, specifically cutting CONCORD and the Society out of the loop was for a reason, and this is the most sensible reason.

Could I be wrong? Oh, sure, absolutely.

But it's not nothing.


It's worth noting that there are no indications that the Society was unaware of this development. Only that CONCORD was.
Makoto Priano
Kirkinen-Arataka Transhuman Zenith Consulting Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#15 - 2016-10-15 20:08:29 UTC
No indication either way.

We'll just have to see how this develops.

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Ayallah
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#16 - 2016-10-15 20:29:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Ayallah
Makoto Priano wrote:
Now, they give the empires a new, more robust cloning methodology, while bypassing the organizations who might be best equipped to analyze the risks or dangers of that technology?
What indication is there that CONCORD without the support of the big four is one of those "best equipped." They are a policing and monitoring organization, only involved in research and development by proxy. More often than releasing new technologies they tell us we cannot have some others.

Enough of CONCORD dictating what the rest of New Eden has access to based on what CONCORD thinks is dangerous. Every time they decide to keep something from us it is only to protect CONCORD. The dangers are only ever to CONCORD.

Jaret Victorian wrote:
. . . I am able to think for myself and make my own conclusions based on the information I take time to look through, filter and digest. Many don't have that opportunity.

In this case I simply don't trust the source of the technology.
Which is the fundamental problem. We were going to receive no chance to make our own conclusions. CONCORD was going to make the decision for us, so generously sparing us the burden.

Goddess of the IGS

As strength goes.
Makoto Priano
Kirkinen-Arataka Transhuman Zenith Consulting Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#17 - 2016-10-15 20:43:11 UTC
I certainly have my reasons to question CONCORD's intentions and methods, but you guys make it a religion.

Bravo.

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Kolodi Ramal
Sanxing Yi
#18 - 2016-10-15 20:49:13 UTC
Capsuleers - some of the most powerful people in the world - whining that they aren't the absolute most powerful?
Matar Ronin
#19 - 2016-10-15 20:50:13 UTC
Concord has not demonstrated to me that is functions with the best interests of capsuleers in mind.
Subsequently I do not readily accept them as knowing what is best for capsuleers.
Keeping them out of the loop proves they are not essential. Arguing otherwise is just arguing.

When Concord proves otherwise I will revise my position, until then, I await them proving their current value to capsuleers.
When they do I will be happy, until they do I won't hold my breath.

‘Vain flame burns fast/and its lick is light/Modest flame lasts long/and burns to the bone.’

" We lost a war we chose not to fight." Without a doubt this is the best way to lose any war and the worst excuse to explain the beating afterwards.
Ayallah
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#20 - 2016-10-15 20:52:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Ayallah
Makoto Priano wrote:
I certainly have my reasons to question CONCORD's intentions and methods, but you guys make it a religion.

Bravo.
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