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[news] Theology Council Issues Advisory Exhortation on Status of Clone

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Jason Galente
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#161 - 2016-10-25 20:36:00 UTC
Valerie Valate wrote:

For a long time, capsuleers of the Amarr religion have had to struggle with the idea that they have no soul, that the soul they possessed prior to becoming a capsuleer has already reached the doors of Paradise, and been Judged as to whether they were worthy or not to enter.


What a sad existence. Waiting for a post card from their former selves that just never would come.

"Having a blast, wish you were here, but you'll never get here, you empty husk of flesh paste."

What jerks they must've thought their original selves were.

Only the liberty of the individual assures the prosperity of the whole. And this foundation must be defended.

At any cost

Valerie Valate
Church of The Crimson Saviour
#162 - 2016-10-25 20:36:24 UTC
Jason Galente wrote:
Valerie Valate wrote:
Well, Jason, you see, it's about self-doubt and things of that nature.


I have plenty of self-doubt, as does anyone. However, more relevantly, I also doubt the ability of someone in a shiny bath robe to know more about me than I myself do.


Maybe your doctor wears a shiny bath robe ?

Doctor V. Valate, Professor of Archaeology at Kaztropolis Imperial University.

Jason Galente
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#163 - 2016-10-25 21:10:26 UTC
Valerie Valate wrote:
Jason Galente wrote:
Valerie Valate wrote:
Well, Jason, you see, it's about self-doubt and things of that nature.


I have plenty of self-doubt, as does anyone. However, more relevantly, I also doubt the ability of someone in a shiny bath robe to know more about me than I myself do.


Maybe your doctor wears a shiny bath robe ?


A doctor follows the scientific method and values objective verifiability in his diagnoses.

A good doctor, anyway.

Only the liberty of the individual assures the prosperity of the whole. And this foundation must be defended.

At any cost

Valerie Valate
Church of The Crimson Saviour
#164 - 2016-10-26 05:05:34 UTC
Jason Galente wrote:
Valerie Valate wrote:
Jason Galente wrote:
Valerie Valate wrote:
Well, Jason, you see, it's about self-doubt and things of that nature.


I have plenty of self-doubt, as does anyone. However, more relevantly, I also doubt the ability of someone in a shiny bath robe to know more about me than I myself do.


Maybe your doctor wears a shiny bath robe ?


A doctor follows the scientific method and values objective verifiability in his diagnoses.

A good doctor, anyway.


Yes, but, see, your doctor probably knows more about the functionality and health of e.g. your spleen, than you do. They have tests and diagrams and all that, for that kind of thing.

And if they also like shiny bath robes, then well, they'd be someone in a shiny bath robe that knows more about (part of) you than you do, no ?

Doctor V. Valate, Professor of Archaeology at Kaztropolis Imperial University.

Valerie Valate
Church of The Crimson Saviour
#165 - 2016-10-26 05:38:59 UTC
Also, as a missionary, it means that I am not wasting my time, when attempting to share the Word with other capsuleers.

Doctor V. Valate, Professor of Archaeology at Kaztropolis Imperial University.

xXuber-NitsheXx
#166 - 2016-10-26 06:27:59 UTC  |  Edited by: xXuber-NitsheXx
Now that Comd Kims' and my DNA will be used for a new cloning program, I do have some ethical issues:


Will our Clones be harvested for spare parts?

Will they have the same rights as other Caldari citizens?

Will the clones compete with one another for limited resources?

Will the clones sense their common fraternity and work towards common goals? and

Will the clones have free will or a moral compass?




At least with natural children parents have a great influence shaping their future. Now I'm having second thoughts about letting our DNA go.

Perhaps I better discuss batch testing and other issues with the facility before release into the public domain...

Thieving pirates discuss INTEGRITY; Anarchist gankers give us LAWS; and Whoring merc's cry then blow off clients with INSULTS. Up is down and down is up in the C&P Forum.

Jason Galente
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#167 - 2016-10-26 16:28:48 UTC
Val, they don't know more about 'me', they know more about 'the endocrine system', etc.

The soul is a little bit different. Bit more.. personal, and holistic.

Only the liberty of the individual assures the prosperity of the whole. And this foundation must be defended.

At any cost

Matar Ronin
#168 - 2016-10-26 17:05:20 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Skyweir Kinnison wrote:
Mark Neismith wrote:
I find it amusing and disturbing the same time, watching the turmoil that this news caused to the capsuleers society ...

Tell me Ladies and Gentlemen, do you REALLY need to be told by - say it a Theology Council, local sham or any other drug-abused fella that have suddenly decided that the burning bush in his delirium is talking - wether you have or have not a Soul?!



I like to be told by my Constitution that I have rights, and have that fact confirmed when warranted, by the fine, educated minds of the Supreme Court. It's especially satisfying when accompanied by a news holocast of Director Blaque's face turning puce.

Most people like to have their beliefs reinforced by people they trust.

While you will have your right, after this war it is us with Amarr Empire who will be left.
Death to the federation alone is not enough for her, now the cowardly faux tin soldier has added genocide for not one but two entire empires to her wishlist.

Please no one tell her about the reclaiming that awaits the Caldari people if all the other people of the New Eden Cluster other then the slavery cultists were gone.

She will operate quite efficiently once fitted with a slave collar and addicted to vitoc. Which would be required because she would fight for the criminal beliefs of the dead thug tibus heth and not voluntarily join the non-caldari faith of the slavery cultists. It is an undisputed fact that her current allies have a proven record of how they deal with those unwilling to accept their beliefs.

As an extra added bonus in an unaided one vs. one fight the smaller tougher Caldari State might not, probably wouldn't, come out on top in a war against relentless reclaiming fleets sent by an otherwise unchallenged slavery cult. Admittedly a just reward for them supporting/enabling an evil slavery driven cult based empire.

Fotunately for the Caldari State the Minmatar will never be defeated again by the slavery cultists and our existence/resistance protects future generations of Caldari whom like the Gallente, Minmatar, and Amarr deserve to be born free.

Clearly some cowardly faux tin soldier racist warmongers have not yet learned to be careful what they wish for.

‘Vain flame burns fast/and its lick is light/Modest flame lasts long/and burns to the bone.’

" We lost a war we chose not to fight." Without a doubt this is the best way to lose any war and the worst excuse to explain the beating afterwards.

Valerie Valate
Church of The Crimson Saviour
#169 - 2016-10-26 17:16:09 UTC
You are aware, that there are many, many Caldari who have willingly converted to the Imperial Faith ? right ?

Doctor V. Valate, Professor of Archaeology at Kaztropolis Imperial University.

Valerie Valate
Church of The Crimson Saviour
#170 - 2016-10-26 17:49:54 UTC
Jason Galente wrote:
Val, they don't know more about 'me', they know more about 'the endocrine system', etc.

The soul is a little bit different. Bit more.. personal, and holistic.


What about your psychoanalyst ? Maybe they like shiny robes too ?

Doctor V. Valate, Professor of Archaeology at Kaztropolis Imperial University.

Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#171 - 2016-10-26 18:02:11 UTC
Valerie Valate wrote:
You are aware, that there are many, many Caldari who have willingly converted to the Imperial Faith ? right ?

You are aware that they are still the minority right? I'm far from being a student of caldari history (though I'd love to learn more) but I would imagine that if they were so against what the Federation was looking to do they would be ten fold more adamant against forced reclaiming in their borders.... They are against slavery right? Pretty sure Kim has remarked about that on numerous occasions. I don't wish it upon them but I also can read the writing on the wall and I'm sure even she isn't blind to it.
Aldrith Shutaq
Atash e Sarum Vanguard
#172 - 2016-10-26 18:55:25 UTC
Sure, because we're really stupid enough to invade the State before we invade you.

Aldrith Ter'neth Shutaq Newelle

Fleet Captain of the Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris

Divine Commodore of the 24th Imperial Crusade

Lord Consort of Lady Mitara Newelle, Champion of House Sarum and Holder of Damnidios Para'nashu

Neph
Crimson Serpent Syndicate
#173 - 2016-10-26 19:39:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Neph
An overdue move. Now the Faithful Eggers don't have to be wracked with self-loathing.

This Empress moves rapidly, it seems. At least, she's wasted no time securing her power over the Empire and solidifying her relationship with the Capsuleer population... I wonder what this move means for the future of the 24th?

~ Gariushi YC110 // Midular YC115 // Yanala YC115 ~

"Orte Jaitovalte sitasuyti ne obuetsa useuut ishu. Ketsiak ishiulyn." -Yakiya Tovil-Toba-taisoka

Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#174 - 2016-10-26 19:46:30 UTC
Didn't say you would before us, I simply meant "don't think your immune from it just because you play nice with them." I believe it was said the Caldari were on the list for reclamation. Kudos for honesty on that I guess. I'm assuming Kim will explain how the Caldari are stronger then the stupid tribals or some other xenophobic pet name she has for us and can overcome you unlike us(note the word "assuming" Kim, that implies an opinion not a truth). She should be happy were taking the role of meat shield if it really is her belief.
Ayallah
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#175 - 2016-10-26 21:08:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Ayallah
Aldrith Shutaq wrote:
Sure, because we're really stupid enough to invade the State before we invade you.
Why not invade the State? I personally believe a very strong argument can be made for a Reclamation of the Caldari people.

In fact I think it would be an ideal campaign, could easily come before Reclaiming the Federation, or Republic.

Goddess of the IGS

As strength goes.

Aldrith Shutaq
Atash e Sarum Vanguard
#176 - 2016-10-26 21:22:49 UTC
There are about a thousand reasons, Ayallah, and it will take too long to explain them all here. This is not the thread for such a discussion anyway.

Let's just rest assured that no one in the Empire is going to seriously consider a military Reclaiming of the State any time soon, if ever.

Aldrith Ter'neth Shutaq Newelle

Fleet Captain of the Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris

Divine Commodore of the 24th Imperial Crusade

Lord Consort of Lady Mitara Newelle, Champion of House Sarum and Holder of Damnidios Para'nashu

Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#177 - 2016-10-26 22:29:38 UTC
Ayallah wrote:
Aldrith Shutaq wrote:
Sure, because we're really stupid enough to invade the State before we invade you.
Why not invade the State? I personally believe a very strong argument can be made for a Reclamation of the Caldari people.

In fact I think it would be an ideal campaign, could easily come before Reclaiming the Federation, or Republic.


Oh, you. You just want to see the Golden Fleet burn, don't you?

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Alizabeth Vea
Doomheim
#178 - 2016-10-26 23:32:59 UTC
I cannot speak strongly enough against the idea of a military Reclamation of the State.

Retainer of Lady Newelle and House Sarum.

"Those who step into the light shall be redeemed, the sins of their past cleansed, so that they may know salvation." -Empress Jamyl Sarum I

Virtue. Valor. Victory.

Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#179 - 2016-10-27 01:14:31 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Ayallah wrote:
Aldrith Shutaq wrote:
Sure, because we're really stupid enough to invade the State before we invade you.
Why not invade the State? I personally believe a very strong argument can be made for a Reclamation of the Caldari people.

In fact I think it would be an ideal campaign, could easily come before Reclaiming the Federation, or Republic.


Oh, you. You just want to see the Golden Fleet burn, don't you?


"The Citadel": not much artistic license in that region's name.
The Leopardess
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#180 - 2016-10-27 06:08:10 UTC  |  Edited by: The Leopardess
This is great news I've taken vacation early to join my family to celebrate. No one questions the Theology Council. Except, apparently Aldrith Shutaq, against his own best interests, apparently?

This finally gives Providence the edge it needs to succeed with the full backing of natural colonists considering how almost all of our spaceport clergy out there are capsuleers just out of necessity, they've been waiting for this news a long time.

As for the Caldari State being Reclaimed, that is already being done, despite what you see on Gallente bleeding heart social justice holos not every reclaiming is bloody. Divine Providence has granted the Caldari people great military might and this in turn is already serving Amarr and thus serving the Lord of Amarr as it should.

One has to remember that the Minmatar were engaging in all manner of undesirable activity when they were reclaimed and they were defiant from the start. The Caldari have never opposed Amarr supremacy and have always been cooperative. We owe all of that to the late great King Khanid, under God's will. It has been clear for some time that God's will is for the Caldari to be reclaimed through example alone and no bloodshed at the hands of our military. They will learn to hate iniquity as the Gallente are an embodiment of it and they will learn to love righteousness as Amarr is the embodiment of righteousness. The reclaiming is already happening and we do not have to fire a shot or take a single slave.

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