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[news] Theology Council Issues Advisory Exhortation on Status of Clone
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Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#141 - 2016-10-15 14:08:30 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Speaking of the modern state of the cloning industry, when is the last time that any of us had to choose the quality of our clone body?

Legs are moving, hands are flailing, why complain, Tuulinen-haan?

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Arrendis
TK Corp
#142 - 2016-10-15 16:05:49 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Speaking of the modern state of the cloning industry, when is the last time that any of us had to choose the quality of our clone body?


I did, just last night. I lovely group of pilots from The Culture invited me to decide if I wanted to choose the pristine clone I have in 9CG, or the rather shot-up one I was currently using in G95. Needless to say, I chose the pristine clone.
Luna Hanaya
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#143 - 2016-10-15 20:51:52 UTC
Aria Jenneth wrote:
Luna Hanaya wrote:
Fleshes, evil peoples, physics-metaphysics...

Peoples, praise to God, I can visit my family now! Yey!


For me, this is what this is really about: recognizing the obvious (we're people!), setting aside a belief that marginalizes us-- from associates, from family, even sometimes from ourselves. It's an alienating belief.


It is good not just to feel yourself a human, but to know others consider you a human too! And not just a cloned toy they can break, knowing you will be 'reassembled'.

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Matias Kurovassi
Doomheim
#144 - 2016-10-16 00:15:44 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Speaking of the modern state of the cloning industry, when is the last time that any of us had to choose the quality of our clone body?


Yesterday, when I switched clone service providers.

Which really is why I'm curious about the exhortation by the Theology Council. Caldari cloning and biomedical firms do a lot of business in the Empire, and the exhortation on cloning represents a potentially expanded market base as Imperial citizens who might have been hesitant to adopt the technology on religious grounds will now be less so. It is however a matter of just exactly which cloning technologies would be considered religiously proscribed or not. since there is a wide array of such.

With the recent news of the SSoE providing cloning technology to CONCORD signatories I can only assume it's pre-compliant with this exhortation so I guess we can all wait and see just what it might entail.
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#145 - 2016-10-16 01:56:31 UTC
Arrendis wrote:
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Speaking of the modern state of the cloning industry, when is the last time that any of us had to choose the quality of our clone body?


I did, just last night. I lovely group of pilots from The Culture invited me to decide if I wanted to choose the pristine clone I have in 9CG, or the rather shot-up one I was currently using in G95. Needless to say, I chose the pristine clone.


Scar tissue builds character. But, and this is the point, we used to make jokes about making sure not to choose a clone made from potato peelings in case we suffered personality alteration and large-scale memory loss.

These days, I believe, all clone providers handle the same high-quality clone product.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
Vollhov Jr
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#146 - 2016-10-19 11:59:01 UTC
The flesh is not the main thing, the main thing is the soul.
The flesh is just a vessel for the soul.
Council forgot to mention Keral (very sad story as a mother wanted to save her son)

What the new era says Catiz ?

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Mark Neismith
Singular Inc.
#147 - 2016-10-20 07:43:11 UTC
I find it amusing and disturbing the same time, watching the turmoil that this news caused to the capsuleers society ...

Tell me Ladies and Gentlemen, do you REALLY need to be told by - say it a Theology Council, local sham or any other drug-abused fella that have suddenly decided that the burning bush in his delirium is talking - wether you have or have not a Soul?!
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#148 - 2016-10-20 10:17:27 UTC
Mark Neismith wrote:
I find it amusing and disturbing the same time, watching the turmoil that this news caused to the capsuleers society ...

Tell me Ladies and Gentlemen, do you REALLY need to be told by - say it a Theology Council, local sham or any other drug-abused fella that have suddenly decided that the burning bush in his delirium is talking - wether you have or have not a Soul?!

Almost half of our cluster lives and dies with the Faith. So, guess what? Yes.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Mark Neismith
Singular Inc.
#149 - 2016-10-20 10:45:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Mark Neismith
Faith have nothing to do with this, commander Kim.

Ignorance and bliss on the other hand ...
Karmilla Strife
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#150 - 2016-10-20 11:47:27 UTC
Perhaps then you should form your own society with an Ignorance Council?
Mark Neismith
Singular Inc.
#151 - 2016-10-20 12:02:00 UTC
I dont think it is needed - the current one seems to do perfectly well
Skyweir Kinnison
Doomheim
#152 - 2016-10-20 12:36:50 UTC
Mark Neismith wrote:
I find it amusing and disturbing the same time, watching the turmoil that this news caused to the capsuleers society ...

Tell me Ladies and Gentlemen, do you REALLY need to be told by - say it a Theology Council, local sham or any other drug-abused fella that have suddenly decided that the burning bush in his delirium is talking - wether you have or have not a Soul?!



I like to be told by my Constitution that I have rights, and have that fact confirmed when warranted, by the fine, educated minds of the Supreme Court. It's especially satisfying when accompanied by a news holocast of Director Blaque's face turning puce.

Most people like to have their beliefs reinforced by people they trust.

Humanity has won its battle. Liberty now has a country.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#153 - 2016-10-20 13:26:57 UTC
Skyweir Kinnison wrote:
Mark Neismith wrote:
I find it amusing and disturbing the same time, watching the turmoil that this news caused to the capsuleers society ...

Tell me Ladies and Gentlemen, do you REALLY need to be told by - say it a Theology Council, local sham or any other drug-abused fella that have suddenly decided that the burning bush in his delirium is talking - wether you have or have not a Soul?!



I like to be told by my Constitution that I have rights, and have that fact confirmed when warranted, by the fine, educated minds of the Supreme Court. It's especially satisfying when accompanied by a news holocast of Director Blaque's face turning puce.

Most people like to have their beliefs reinforced by people they trust.

While you will have your right, after this war it is us with Amarr Empire who will be left.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Luna Hanaya
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#154 - 2016-10-20 14:57:37 UTC
Mark Neismith wrote:
I dont think it is needed - the current one seems to do perfectly well

With you as a Head Council and all the seats combined?

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Karmilla Strife
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#155 - 2016-10-21 00:15:35 UTC
Mark Neismith wrote:
I dont think it is needed - the current one seems to do perfectly well

I'm sorry, sometimes tone and minor details don't carry through on the IGS. Please clarify for me.

Do you already have your own society, with an Ignorance Council, and it's doing perfectly well...

or.

Are you trying to be clever and suggest that the Theology Council is ignorant, but you're admitting that Amarrian Society is doing perfectly well?

If that's the case, thank you for your support! Would you like a brochure?
Mark Neismith
Singular Inc.
#156 - 2016-10-21 07:46:16 UTC
I must admit – was in hibernation for a very long time. My Universal Translator software is probably out of date.

As for me being a Head of my own Council – you are most right – I already am. And it councils only me. It is called personality, as far as I know. The only others allowed to have a seat in that Council are my friends and my family. Who knows - one day even you may get an invitation to join the round table Blink

And yes - I did try “to be clever” and make some fun with those, who allow others to determine them – but it seems instead of make them think of it even for a moment – It caused the opposite. Oh, well I guess I have failed in that.


Does this make me ignorant and blissful? It probably does … But at least I know it was it was my call and mine alone. Can you say the same for yourself?

Jason Galente
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#157 - 2016-10-25 05:56:37 UTC
Does anyone else find it funny watching fully grown adults breathing a sigh of relief that someone has told them they still have a soul?

Did you really require this exhortation to know that?

Aren't you usually the most qualified person to figure that out for yourself?

Only the liberty of the individual assures the prosperity of the whole. And this foundation must be defended.

At any cost
Jason Galente
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#158 - 2016-10-25 20:01:56 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Mark Neismith wrote:
I find it amusing and disturbing the same time, watching the turmoil that this news caused to the capsuleers society ...

Tell me Ladies and Gentlemen, do you REALLY need to be told by - say it a Theology Council, local sham or any other drug-abused fella that have suddenly decided that the burning bush in his delirium is talking - wether you have or have not a Soul?!

Almost half of our cluster lives and dies with the Faith. So, guess what? Yes.


Appeal to the People Fallacy: the fallacy that because many or most people believe something, it must be true, and that the number of people believing it is itself the evidence of its truth.

It's as if you're a walking, breathing, possibly thinking, fallacy megaphone.

Only the liberty of the individual assures the prosperity of the whole. And this foundation must be defended.

At any cost
Valerie Valate
Church of The Crimson Saviour
#159 - 2016-10-25 20:10:18 UTC
Well, Jason, you see, it's about self-doubt and things of that nature.

For a long time, capsuleers of the Amarr religion have had to struggle with the idea that they have no soul, that the soul they possessed prior to becoming a capsuleer has already reached the doors of Paradise, and been Judged as to whether they were worthy or not to enter.

There has always been the nagging thought that "Perhaps I've made a huge mistake, and condemned my soul", that whatever actions they had done prior to becoming a capsuleer were not worthy enough to enter Paradise.

Now, with the knowledge that they have a soul, that doubt can finally be put to rest.

Doctor V. Valate, Professor of Archaeology at Kaztropolis Imperial University.
Jason Galente
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#160 - 2016-10-25 20:34:28 UTC
Valerie Valate wrote:
Well, Jason, you see, it's about self-doubt and things of that nature.


I have plenty of self-doubt, as does anyone. However, more relevantly, I also doubt the ability of someone in a shiny bath robe to know more about me than I myself do.

Only the liberty of the individual assures the prosperity of the whole. And this foundation must be defended.

At any cost