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FraXy
Hostile.
PURPLE HELMETED WARRIORS
#21 - 2016-10-11 13:21:48 UTC
CCP Phantom wrote:
Kell Taron wrote:
The new market graph has no time selection! Is that intentional or a bug? Is the slider the only way to see the past prices? I would prefer to be able see the whole annual graph in 1 picture.


Please use the slider underneath the market chart to change the time series. The image below should clarify this:

[img]http://content.eveonline.com/www/newssystem/media/70596/2/PriceHistorySelection.png[/img]

You can easily expand and shrink the the slider to change the displayed time series, you can also drag around the slider while keeping the amount of displayed days constant.




No.

Easily would be having an option to set a default displayed time to show, but from 5 minutes right clicking just about everything that is not the case.
Market items are set as 30 day default and any slider changes you make doesn't carry over to other items.

I don't know about the rest of the people trying to trade, but manually setting the time for ALL items whenever I feel like looking at different time displays is not what I would call intuitive and easy.

TL;DR:

Add back the drop-down box to universally change the time displayed by default and while you're at it allow the option to add custom times.

Thank you.

One man's junk is FraXy's choice of weapon to kill you with.

Ken Evingod
Zero Point Galactic Holdings
#22 - 2016-10-11 13:33:16 UTC
Since you guys don't seem to get much positive feedback in these threads:

1. The market refresh has improved a lot for me - moving between items could take several seconds before, now it seems much snappier.

2. As someone who works in finance, the new charts are great - very close to what I'm used to looking at (although personally I would have preferred Bollinger bands, I can see why you went with the Donchian channel). I also like how it preserves the chosen selection slider size when switching back and forth between items.

I did notice one small bug with the sliding selection on the graph; if you stretch it quickly all the way to the left, it will also pull the right edge of the selection slightly over to the left as well, which hides the most recent part of the graph. The same thing does not occur when stretching the slider from left to right instead.
Nathan Rolk
The Corporate Tax Shelter
#23 - 2016-10-11 13:35:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Nathan Rolk
Dear Developers,

i have never been active on forums. Neither in this nor other games. It just not my 'style'. So writing this here is a big thing (at least for me).
I think the game is heading into a wrong direction on some ends. While introducing citadels - which might have been a great mechanic - and finally comeing up with features like the ghost fitting (yes that would have been your job - imho - from the first second) you on the other hand never get tired to break working and established things that make/made a smooth game.
Here is my point(s):
You are about to introduce the ongrid boost. There is no reason in a game like yours for such a thing like boosts, other than to create additional accounts that are PLEXed or otherwise payed for! Simply removing all boost would smoothy (re-)balance the game and give new players a little better chances over PVP attacks. However the idea of makeing it an active thing is another step in your plan to reduce offscreen or afk play (which is standing against your inherent interest to have more accounts subbed and thereby earn money). Where this might be a thing to make players venture more ISK and actively take part in PVP or PVE actions, it does not make sense for mining! The booster who stood in wormholes or in HS open for all maybe from that guy/corpee from the other timezone, becomes now obsolete and maybe (s)he cannot (lack of ISK, since charges cost) or simply doesn't want to PLEX his account anymore (boosting will be active while (s)he simply wants to live his live or sleep while the PC is on anfd his friends/customers are benefitting.

Adding, adding, adding - you do it busy as a bee. Old and new bugs mostly remain in the game, the reworking of modules and simply removing redundant stuff from the game hardly happens or slow down to almost zero. It comes to a point where the main game experience comes from negative feelings. Yes, EVE online should be hard and yes, even mining is a fight, but bugs and inapproriate gameplay should not be part of that!

Since i want to stay constructive here is my (unasked) feedback:
Do not touch mining boosts. Make combatboost ongrid and maybe not lasting but without the charges (there should be no additional costs being involved). Rework Citadels so that they have to be upgraded from small to XL by using upgrade kits. Give Citadels the fuction to work as a fortress and manufacturing thing with perfect stats after upgrading several times (nobody really wants additional engineering platforms with >100 rig combinations). You want to make the game more accessible, right!?! Fix more bugs, we're directly or indirectly paying for the game - it should work properly (#ClearingCashOrGameWillCrash #wth? #DroneWindow #ShipNotControllabeAndInvisible
#ModuleLag).
It's fine that you removed the IGB, despite the fact that i.e. wormholers really need it, since - again - you, dear ladies and gentelmen, gave us no ingame tool to properly track wormhole connections for corpees and out-of-corp scouts. The functionality of a tool like tripwire and similar should be part of the game. It makes the game not less complex but more easy and accessible, after all more fun to play! Socializing should be an element that keeps players in the game, but not the only reason, really.

BTW: please send me a mail with my lost IGB bookmarks, thanks in advance!
Nathan out. Love you much. CCPlease

EDIT: I like the new market graph. It still misses a manual y-axis setting to calibrate the scale. Maybe it might be implemented similar to the timeframe adjustment.
13kr1d1
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#24 - 2016-10-11 13:42:09 UTC  |  Edited by: 13kr1d1
Loki Vaako wrote:
13kr1d1 wrote:
So where is the button to revert to old market graphs? As a paying customer, that is the one I prefer.

The removal of browser is a terrible "feature". Also, where are my bookmarks for it? Hidden in a file somewhere I can get to?

Quote:
The new market graph has no time selection! Is that intentional or a bug?


Breaking things is CCP's way Roll

Jukebox removed.

Browser removed.

POSes going to be removed.

Its like they're going backwards.


It's called evolution.

Change is good,

The browser was a handy feature but it lacked too many features it made it more of a hindrance than useful.

The new market graphs look amazing they just take a little getting used to.

Pos's are being changed to Citadels.

CCP removes features but they also replace them with new functions and features that often contain and build upon the removed stuff.

Citadels are far better than POS's, Chrome with the new CREST functions are better than the IGB and the market graphs are more streamlined.

Please also remember that your not the only

This is ofc only my opinion.



Change isn't good, things improving is good. Death is a change from a state which no one considers good, unless other factors come into play. That rhetoric is so tired and so backwards. Please stop using it if not for us than for your own sake.

If it was more hinderance than useful, people wouldn't use it and would prefer an OOG source. They didn't.

POSes function differently than citadels and I like how they function.

Show me what feature replaced jukebox which contains jukebox and builds on it. Good try.

Citadels are, for practical intent, copies of NPC stations. They're different from POSes, not better.

I don't find the market graphs any more streamlined. That's a buzzword anyway. I take off the wings of a plane to streamline it as well, you know. Since its now much more focused in design of being a tubular house than a flying machine. Streamline is not a word that contains any meaning.

As for boosts, since mid 2000s there have been combat and mining boosters in skill form to allow people to be better if they grouped together.

Rather, what you might say is that boost charges are a step in the wrong direction. On grid boost was something finally done right, as off grid was completely dumb.

Don't kid yourselves. Even the dirtiest pirates from the birth of EVE have been carebears. They use alts to bring them goods at cheap prices and safely, rather than live with consequences of their in game actions on their main, from concord to prices

Loki Vaako
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#25 - 2016-10-11 13:57:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Loki Vaako
13kr1d1 wrote:
Loki Vaako wrote:
13kr1d1 wrote:
So where is the button to revert to old market graphs? As a paying customer, that is the one I prefer.

The removal of browser is a terrible "feature". Also, where are my bookmarks for it? Hidden in a file somewhere I can get to?

Quote:
The new market graph has no time selection! Is that intentional or a bug?


Breaking things is CCP's way Roll

Jukebox removed.

Browser removed.

POSes going to be removed.

Its like they're going backwards.


It's called evolution.

Change is good,

The browser was a handy feature but it lacked too many features it made it more of a hindrance than useful.

The new market graphs look amazing they just take a little getting used to.

Pos's are being changed to Citadels.

CCP removes features but they also replace them with new functions and features that often contain and build upon the removed stuff.

Citadels are far better than POS's, Chrome with the new CREST functions are better than the IGB and the market graphs are more streamlined.

Please also remember that your not the only

This is ofc only my opinion.



Change isn't good, things improving is good. Death is a change from a state which no one considers good, unless other factors come into play. That rhetoric is so tired and so backwards. Please stop using it if not for us than for your own sake.

If it was more hinderance than useful, people wouldn't use it and would prefer an OOG source. They didn't.

POSes function differently than citadels and I like how they function.

Show me what feature replaced jukebox which contains jukebox and builds on it. Good try.

Citadels are, for practical intent, copies of NPC stations. They're different from POSes, not better.

I don't find the market graphs any more streamlined. That's a buzzword anyway. I take off the wings of a plane to streamline it as well, you know. Since its now much more focused in design of being a tubular house than a flying machine. Streamline is not a word that contains any meaning.

As for boosts, since mid 2000s there have been combat and mining boosters in skill form to allow people to be better if they grouped together.

Rather, what you might say is that boost charges are a step in the wrong direction. On grid boost was something finally done right, as off grid was completely dumb.


1) There is more than one definition of Streamlining. I personally have found the graphs too clunky so i like the new more streamlined view (no airplanes or wings were harmed in this comment which is the streamlining your referring to)

2) I didn't mention anything about jukebox (it was before my time) nor did i mention about boosts.

3) From my understanding Citadels are being expanded with features that will completely replace POS's

4) Where is the huge outrage of the IGB being removed i haven't seen any.
Khan Wrenth
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#26 - 2016-10-11 14:06:05 UTC
DevBlog wrote:
Stargates would occasionally express their envy of dynamic objects by moving to a different position in their solar system after down

This caused me to spit coffee all over my keyboard and desk. Thanks for that.
Ravcharas
Infinite Point
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#27 - 2016-10-11 14:31:29 UTC
The new market graph is awfully dreary.
Angyel Beerens
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#28 - 2016-10-11 14:45:25 UTC
This community is hilarious. I'm not going to bother to go look up the date but CCP told everyone months ago "Hey guys in October the IGB is going away." Why during that time did you not pull your bookmarks and transfer them to another browser? Today IGB goes away and people are on here crying like they didn't know it was going to happen. And the WH folks, I'm sorry you lost your mapping software and stuff but I can't feel bad for you. You want to live in the wild UNCHARTED lands of wormhole space, now you have it. If there is a crutch that allows you to easily map and share WH's how is it any different then the rest of mapped out space? You wanted to live on the fringe, enjoy or move back to mapped space.

I tried to get into Eve off and on for years and just couldn't get hooked until this last time with a lot of the changes that were made in the last 6 months. Everything was better "in the old days" but if you really enjoy this game you should embrace changes that drive new people to playing. Without changes and new subs you won't have a game to play anymore.
Marie Skjem
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#29 - 2016-10-11 14:52:49 UTC
T3 cruiser look very strange with the new PP (and shaders?) on shader settings on high and look even stranger if setting shaders to medium.

Moreover the median dots in the new market graphs are displayed too low and jumping into the right position when putting the mouse cursor over them.
13kr1d1
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#30 - 2016-10-11 14:53:47 UTC  |  Edited by: 13kr1d1
Loki Vaako wrote:
13kr1d1 wrote:
Loki Vaako wrote:
13kr1d1 wrote:
So where is the button to revert to old market graphs? As a paying customer, that is the one I prefer.

The removal of browser is a terrible "feature". Also, where are my bookmarks for it? Hidden in a file somewhere I can get to?



Breaking things is CCP's way Roll

Jukebox removed.

Browser removed.

POSes going to be removed.

Its like they're going backwards.


It's called evolution.

Change is good,

The browser was a handy feature but it lacked too many features it made it more of a hindrance than useful.

The new market graphs look amazing they just take a little getting used to.

Pos's are being changed to Citadels.

CCP removes features but they also replace them with new functions and features that often contain and build upon the removed stuff.

Citadels are far better than POS's, Chrome with the new CREST functions are better than the IGB and the market graphs are more streamlined.

Please also remember that your not the only

This is ofc only my opinion.



Change isn't good, things improving is good. Death is a change from a state which no one considers good, unless other factors come into play. That rhetoric is so tired and so backwards. Please stop using it if not for us than for your own sake.

If it was more hinderance than useful, people wouldn't use it and would prefer an OOG source. They didn't.

POSes function differently than citadels and I like how they function.

Show me what feature replaced jukebox which contains jukebox and builds on it. Good try.

Citadels are, for practical intent, copies of NPC stations. They're different from POSes, not better.

I don't find the market graphs any more streamlined. That's a buzzword anyway. I take off the wings of a plane to streamline it as well, you know. Since its now much more focused in design of being a tubular house than a flying machine. Streamline is not a word that contains any meaning.

As for boosts, since mid 2000s there have been combat and mining boosters in skill form to allow people to be better if they grouped together.

Rather, what you might say is that boost charges are a step in the wrong direction. On grid boost was something finally done right, as off grid was completely dumb.


1) There is more than one definition of Streamlining. I personally have found the graphs too clunky so i like the new more streamlined view (no airplanes or wings were harmed in this comment which is the streamlining your referring to)

2) I didn't mention anything about jukebox (it was before my time) nor did i mention about boosts.

3) From my understanding Citadels are being expanded with features that will completely replace POS's

4) Where is the huge outrage of the IGB being removed i haven't seen any.



You know that a person can draw comparisons, yes? Holding to extraordinary over-literality doesn't defeat someone's argument.


"make (an organization or system) more efficient and effective by employing faster or simpler working methods."

I assume you mean that one. How does the new market do that? "simpler" means to prune things off, e.g. like a plane without wings. As there is more than one definition which you seem to know perfectly well, is it possible you understood the argument as the wrong definition? We can forgive misunderstandings.

Angyel Beerens wrote:
This community is hilarious. I'm not going to bother to go look up the date but CCP told everyone months ago "Hey guys in October the IGB is going away." Why during that time did you not pull your bookmarks and transfer them to another browser? Today IGB goes away and people are on here crying like they didn't know it was going to happen. And the WH folks, I'm sorry you lost your mapping software and stuff but I can't feel bad for you. You want to live in the wild UNCHARTED lands of wormhole space, now you have it. If there is a crutch that allows you to easily map and share WH's how is it any different then the rest of mapped out space? You wanted to live on the fringe, enjoy or move back to mapped space.

I tried to get into Eve off and on for years and just couldn't get hooked until this last time with a lot of the changes that were made in the last 6 months. Everything was better "in the old days" but if you really enjoy this game you should embrace changes that drive new people to playing. Without changes and new subs you won't have a game to play anymore.


Not everyone knew. Saying "CCP told people" means nothing. They are not the world. People have other things to do than read devblogs. People sometimes don't even visit the main eve online website for its content. Saying a person doesn't religiously follow anything they write about gives a person no excuse to complain is farcical. You sure you aren't a thick, rubbery skinned bureaucrat written by Douglas Adams?

Don't kid yourselves. Even the dirtiest pirates from the birth of EVE have been carebears. They use alts to bring them goods at cheap prices and safely, rather than live with consequences of their in game actions on their main, from concord to prices

Cerian Alderoth
Cult of the Black Monolith
#31 - 2016-10-11 15:12:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Cerian Alderoth
All "Median Day Price" dots have an (positive) offset.
If I move the mouse cursor over them, they fall back to a reasonable position.

Only for the last 105 days or so, the lines spanning the "Donchian Channel" are shown.
Not for all datapoints in this time interval, but for some.

The market window lacks an X axis (other than the funny slider).

The market windows goes back to 360/361 days. However, when I move the right slider, more recent data will show up and the left slider finally shows 365 days.

The market window animation - everything falls into place - is annoying if you look at many graphs after one another.

The two plots in the market window can overlap.

...

Seriously, hire some students to find these kind of bugs.
You are wasting your / our time with these kind of buggy releases.
Son Freedom
Six Degrees of Freedom Corporation
#32 - 2016-10-11 15:38:31 UTC
Breaking things is CCP's way Roll

Jukebox removed.

Browser removed.

POSes going to be removed.

Its like they're going backwards.

Hirmuolio Pine
Mystical Knights
Greater Solitude Commonwealth
#33 - 2016-10-11 15:48:34 UTC
The new price history.

None of the plots are scaled for the time frame you select. They are always scaled to 364 days.
This makes the price history plots useless for looking at colatile items since the plots are scaled to that one guy buying meta 4 item for 500% normal price four months ago.

For example phased scoped target painter costs around 44 thousand isk in dodixie but the min/max and channel plots are always scaled to 540 million isk.

The price history does not remember selected time frame. The time frame is reseted to 30d every time a new item is selected.

And now I managed to completely hide the plots. It seems that if you hide all plots the whole plot window disappears. The plot settings button also disappeared.

Beta Maoye
#34 - 2016-10-11 15:52:03 UTC
The market graph is cool. Could you add a crosshair with vertical dash line and horizontal dash line for visual alignment of date, price, order and quantity, like most stock charts do?
Thomasina
Zebra Corp
Goonswarm Federation
#35 - 2016-10-11 15:59:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Thomasina
Are Corporation Bulletins broken?

Mine shows big black spaces where the bulletin text used to be.

When you edit the bulletin, the text shows in the editing window, but when you save it, it's back to the black space.
Domain's Eye
Doomheim
#36 - 2016-10-11 16:03:04 UTC
I usually don't wish terrible things to people i don't know, but those in charge of the new market graphs should be fire. Simple as that.

To think that you actually put (very needed elsewhere) ressources there, to screw up something that nobody asked you to change, is simply infuriating.

The left axis makes no sense, at all. I can't see the current day's dot, regardless of how much i tinker and screw this f*ucking slide. I'm forced to "Show Table" every single time. I can't set a default size other than 30 days. The 365 days size is flawed as many already stated.

New pale colors inside a very dark window, same kind of crap you pulled for the "New Map" (forever in Beta) which is an absolute mess. You can hardly see anything, and with the gigantic failure of the left axis, the whole thing is simply not usable as it is.

I'd highly encourage you to look at that quickly, otherwise i'll quit EVE once again, for good and forever this time.
Black Romero
Aviation Professionals for EVE
Virtus Crusade Protectorate
#37 - 2016-10-11 16:11:04 UTC
Ok, against my better judgment I will post here. Hoping not a waste of time.


FEEDBACK:

THE MARKET HISTORY SLIDER needs to DEFAULT to 356 days! It defaults EVERY SINGLE TIME I view an item to 30 days instead of the old way where it was one setting for all items. This sucks.

Otherwise, I like the changes. Very fast market update (THANK YOU) and nice graphs.

B Rome


P.S. I understand the in game arguments for getting rid of the IGB...but now I have to buy a second monitor. Not a fan. I would gladly have taken use of a simple browser in game that had access to only third party or CCP approved websites that had to be submitted to CCP. That way there is no worry about the IGB not supporting all websites and thus your argument for getting rid of it is moot.
Dominous Nolen
The Graduates
The Initiative.
#38 - 2016-10-11 16:26:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Dominous Nolen
JTK Fotheringham wrote:
/me falls over.

"I felt a great disturbance in the Force, as if millions of Worm-Holers suddenly cried out in terror, and were suddenly lost. I fear something terrible has happened."

---
I know it was announced ages ago, but the IGB removal isn't in today's patch notes.


Most recent revision had it.

Pathfinder, Siggy and Tripwire are functional for crest support.

Pathfinder still is getting requested functional updates and tweaks but has been a decent tool, and you can host it yourself if you're concerned with security issues.

@dominousnolen

"Fly dangerously, Fly safe, Fly whatever, just keep Flying." - Lee Blackwood

Dominous Nolen
The Graduates
The Initiative.
#39 - 2016-10-11 16:31:30 UTC
Angyel Beerens wrote:
the WH folks, I'm sorry you lost your mapping software and stuff but I can't feel bad for you. You want to live in the wild UNCHARTED lands of wormhole space, now you have it. If there is a crutch that allows you to easily map and share WH's how is it any different then the rest of mapped out space? You wanted to live on the fringe, enjoy or move back to mapped space.


There are alternatives and Ewww.. move back to Kspace? Nope, I like having no local, thanks.

@dominousnolen

"Fly dangerously, Fly safe, Fly whatever, just keep Flying." - Lee Blackwood

Pablosky Muertinez
Rekium
Goonswarm Federation
#40 - 2016-10-11 16:35:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Pablosky Muertinez
I have desactivated all options in the market graph and now I can't reactivate it because the button is missing.

http://prntscr.com/csko1b

Shocked

Also, the 365 days graph is a pain with products like Astrahus, the graph strats in 12B and is flat the last 10 months :(