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Mark Marconi
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#301 - 2016-10-21 07:26:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Mark Marconi
Malcanis wrote:
Three pages of stats chat that boil down to " since CCP came up with an answer I disagree with, they must have done their sums wrong"

Not at all.

Actually it boils down to, they may have done something wrong in regards to their study but should run with it anyway after all players 15 days or less might learn to tank a ship if they get ganked early.

The 1% statistic is so unresolved it is complete rubbish

And the initial study of 15 days or less cannot be used to extrapolate the effects of ganking on players after that initial 15 days.

Edit: Oh and some people on these forums seem to believe that CCP is their God and CCPs words are gospel. So lets hope they never get near the Star Citizen followers that believe the same about Chris Roberts or we are going to see another holy war.

The CSM gets in the way of CCP communicating properly with the players of this game.

After all we are not just players, we are customers.

Time for the CSM to be disbanded.
Teckos Pech
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#302 - 2016-10-21 08:28:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Teckos Pech
So there I was passing through Uedama in my crane passing a bumping macherial. I see a guy in a freighter in Sivala so I thought, I'll be nice I'll warn him. So I convo him and the message comes back, I have been added to his blocked list.

See, you guys complaining about freighter ganking...you damn well deserve it. Every last bit of it.

"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek

8 Golden Rules for EVE Online
Mark Marconi
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#303 - 2016-10-21 08:50:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Mark Marconi
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The CSM gets in the way of CCP communicating properly with the players of this game.

After all we are not just players, we are customers.

Time for the CSM to be disbanded.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#304 - 2016-10-21 09:54:04 UTC
Mark Marconi wrote:

Wrong. Wrong and Wrong.

I have stated that CCP have no background in statistical analysis and he findings are not verifiable.


Its a building full of people with degrees in mathematical subjects, a huge number of them have done degrees that involve physics, they even have people who used to work in the banking sector.

They are a hell of a lot more qualified to run statistics than you are.
Mark Marconi
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#305 - 2016-10-21 10:04:53 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Mark Marconi wrote:

Wrong. Wrong and Wrong.

I have stated that CCP have no background in statistical analysis and he findings are not verifiable.


Its a building full of people with degrees in mathematical subjects, a huge number of them have done degrees that involve physics, they even have people who used to work in the banking sector.

They are a hell of a lot more qualified to run statistics than you are.

You forgot to add "All praise CCP, the great and all knowing"

The CSM gets in the way of CCP communicating properly with the players of this game.

After all we are not just players, we are customers.

Time for the CSM to be disbanded.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#306 - 2016-10-21 10:15:15 UTC
Mark Marconi wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Mark Marconi wrote:

Wrong. Wrong and Wrong.

I have stated that CCP have no background in statistical analysis and he findings are not verifiable.


Its a building full of people with degrees in mathematical subjects, a huge number of them have done degrees that involve physics, they even have people who used to work in the banking sector.

They are a hell of a lot more qualified to run statistics than you are.

You forgot to add "All praise CCP, the great and all knowing"



So people with degrees in mathematical subjects cant so statistics? Is that what you are saying?
Mark Marconi
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#307 - 2016-10-21 10:23:50 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Mark Marconi wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Mark Marconi wrote:

Wrong. Wrong and Wrong.

I have stated that CCP have no background in statistical analysis and he findings are not verifiable.


Its a building full of people with degrees in mathematical subjects, a huge number of them have done degrees that involve physics, they even have people who used to work in the banking sector.

They are a hell of a lot more qualified to run statistics than you are.

You forgot to add "All praise CCP, the great and all knowing"



So people with degrees in mathematical subjects cant so statistics? Is that what you are saying?

I had a nice discussion with Teckos Pech, why don't you toddle off and read that.

The CSM gets in the way of CCP communicating properly with the players of this game.

After all we are not just players, we are customers.

Time for the CSM to be disbanded.
Teckos Pech
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#308 - 2016-10-21 10:26:05 UTC
Mark Marconi wrote:
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Hahahaha....

"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek

8 Golden Rules for EVE Online
Teckos Pech
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#309 - 2016-10-21 10:26:51 UTC
Mark Marconi wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Mark Marconi wrote:

Wrong. Wrong and Wrong.

I have stated that CCP have no background in statistical analysis and he findings are not verifiable.


Its a building full of people with degrees in mathematical subjects, a huge number of them have done degrees that involve physics, they even have people who used to work in the banking sector.

They are a hell of a lot more qualified to run statistics than you are.

You forgot to add "All praise CCP, the great and all knowing"



Maybe you can not be a deick?

"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek

8 Golden Rules for EVE Online
Teckos Pech
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#310 - 2016-10-21 10:28:22 UTC
Mark Marconi wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Mark Marconi wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Mark Marconi wrote:

Wrong. Wrong and Wrong.

I have stated that CCP have no background in statistical analysis and he findings are not verifiable.


Its a building full of people with degrees in mathematical subjects, a huge number of them have done degrees that involve physics, they even have people who used to work in the banking sector.

They are a hell of a lot more qualified to run statistics than you are.

You forgot to add "All praise CCP, the great and all knowing"



So people with degrees in mathematical subjects cant so statistics? Is that what you are saying?

I had a nice discussion with Teckos Pech, why don't you toddle off and read that.


Where I work, the one guy who usually gets my more...mathematically esoteric comments is the guy with the computer science degree. I say something, and he's is nodding while the engineers are sitting there going "Wut?"

"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek

8 Golden Rules for EVE Online
Mark Marconi
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#311 - 2016-10-21 10:29:14 UTC
Teckos Pech wrote:
Mark Marconi wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Mark Marconi wrote:

Wrong. Wrong and Wrong.

I have stated that CCP have no background in statistical analysis and he findings are not verifiable.


Its a building full of people with degrees in mathematical subjects, a huge number of them have done degrees that involve physics, they even have people who used to work in the banking sector.

They are a hell of a lot more qualified to run statistics than you are.

You forgot to add "All praise CCP, the great and all knowing"



Maybe you can not be a deick?

Well I could but given the last 3 pages and the fact he did not bother to read them. I must admit I was not in the kindest frames of mind.

The CSM gets in the way of CCP communicating properly with the players of this game.

After all we are not just players, we are customers.

Time for the CSM to be disbanded.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#312 - 2016-10-21 10:35:23 UTC
Mark Marconi wrote:
I had a nice discussion with Teckos Pech, why don't you toddle off and read that.


How about you answer the question.
Mark Marconi
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#313 - 2016-10-21 10:36:08 UTC
Teckos Pech wrote:
Mark Marconi wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Mark Marconi wrote:
baltec1 wrote:

Its a building full of people with degrees in mathematical subjects, a huge number of them have done degrees that involve physics, they even have people who used to work in the banking sector.

They are a hell of a lot more qualified to run statistics than you are.

You forgot to add "All praise CCP, the great and all knowing"



So people with degrees in mathematical subjects cant so statistics? Is that what you are saying?

I had a nice discussion with Teckos Pech, why don't you toddle off and read that.


Where I work, the one guy who usually gets my more...mathematically esoteric comments is the guy with the computer science degree. I say something, and he's is nodding while the engineers are sitting there going "Wut?"

Where I work, if we find a smart IT guy, they get snapped up and cross trained, hell if kitchen staff have a good IQ we go after them as well.

Intelligence is not linked to occupation. Unfortunately. A guy I work with completed his Bachelor of science 10 years ago and could not find a job. He ended up doing menial tasks till he entered on a low entry level position. Literally one of the smartest people I have ever met.

The CSM gets in the way of CCP communicating properly with the players of this game.

After all we are not just players, we are customers.

Time for the CSM to be disbanded.
Teckos Pech
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#314 - 2016-10-21 10:37:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Teckos Pech
Mark Marconi wrote:


Well I could but given the last 3 pages and the fact he did not bother to read them. I must admit I was not in the kindest frames of mind.


How about this....guys with CS degrees are also pretty good at math. Hell, the CS guy where I work is not only good at math he is good at economics. I mean shockingly good for a non-econ guy.

"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek

8 Golden Rules for EVE Online
Mark Marconi
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#315 - 2016-10-21 10:41:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Mark Marconi
Teckos Pech wrote:
Mark Marconi wrote:


Well I could but given the last 3 pages and the fact he did not bother to read them. I must admit I was not in the kindest frames of mind.


How about this....guys with CS degrees are also pretty good at math. Hell, the CS guy where I work is not only good at math he is good at economics. I mean shockingly good for a non-econ guy.

Lets say a high propensity for maths.

I have several friends who are CS lecturers at universities, One of them is brilliant at maths, most are pretty good and there is one I would not want to calculate the cost of a take out order.

The CSM gets in the way of CCP communicating properly with the players of this game.

After all we are not just players, we are customers.

Time for the CSM to be disbanded.
Teckos Pech
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#316 - 2016-10-21 10:53:40 UTC
Mark Marconi wrote:
Teckos Pech wrote:
Mark Marconi wrote:


Well I could but given the last 3 pages and the fact he did not bother to read them. I must admit I was not in the kindest frames of mind.


How about this....guys with CS degrees are also pretty good at math. Hell, the CS guy where I work is not only good at math he is good at economics. I mean shockingly good for a non-econ guy.

Lets say a high propensity for maths.

I have several friends who are CS lecturers at universities, One of them is brilliant at maths, most are pretty good and there is one I would not want to calculate the cost of a take out order.


Can we then also extrapolate that the people at CCP are not idiots? This does not preclude that CCP does dumb things, but the individuals are not dumb....maybe?

"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek

8 Golden Rules for EVE Online
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#317 - 2016-10-21 11:02:45 UTC
Mark Marconi wrote:
Teckos Pech wrote:
Mark Marconi wrote:


Well I could but given the last 3 pages and the fact he did not bother to read them. I must admit I was not in the kindest frames of mind.


How about this....guys with CS degrees are also pretty good at math. Hell, the CS guy where I work is not only good at math he is good at economics. I mean shockingly good for a non-econ guy.

Lets say a high propensity for maths.

I have several friends who are CS lecturers at universities, One of them is brilliant at maths, most are pretty good and there is one I would not want to calculate the cost of a take out order.


So you are saying everyone in the CCP building, most of them having high level mathmatical degrees are no good at maths, to the point that they cant even do simple statistics?
Mark Marconi
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#318 - 2016-10-21 11:02:57 UTC
Teckos Pech wrote:
Mark Marconi wrote:
Teckos Pech wrote:
Mark Marconi wrote:


Well I could but given the last 3 pages and the fact he did not bother to read them. I must admit I was not in the kindest frames of mind.


How about this....guys with CS degrees are also pretty good at math. Hell, the CS guy where I work is not only good at math he is good at economics. I mean shockingly good for a non-econ guy.

Lets say a high propensity for maths.

I have several friends who are CS lecturers at universities, One of them is brilliant at maths, most are pretty good and there is one I would not want to calculate the cost of a take out order.


Can we then also extrapolate that the people at CCP are not idiots? This does not preclude that CCP does dumb things, but the individuals are not dumb....maybe?

I think you broadened that a bit much, lets say are probable to be good at mathematics.

So I think I know where you are going. In so much that they might have done the less than 15 day statistical analysis correctly.

Actually didn't we cover this ground?

Anyway yes it is plausible though unverifiable that they completed that analysis correctly covering all the usual traps and pit falls.
However as we are unable to verify this the statistics must be taken with skepticism and not as fact.

Sorry if I went down a different path.

The CSM gets in the way of CCP communicating properly with the players of this game.

After all we are not just players, we are customers.

Time for the CSM to be disbanded.
pajedas
Doomheim
#319 - 2016-10-21 11:14:50 UTC
Message Received.

Cancelled Account 01

It's funny that I got THIS when I went to log and to go to my next account for cancellation.

Guess I'll have to finish later today.

Cheers!

🐇
Chopper Rollins
Brave Newbies Inc.
Brave Collective
#320 - 2016-10-21 11:16:31 UTC
This thread turned to dildos a while ago.
:(


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