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Nero Jove
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#1 - 2016-10-10 03:41:28 UTC
Just curious if a player doing nothing but continually harassing players in a system all day long would be considered griefing by CCP? It was a peaceful system until this guy showed up . First came his 10 toon ice mining fleet. Then came his griefer. He bumps and bumps and bumps. every spawn - every single day. He never misses one. The obvious answer is just leave the system, but that feels like such a cop out. Ideas of how to deal with this are appreciated.
Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#2 - 2016-10-10 03:43:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Shae Tadaruwa
By CCPs outline, you would need to make an attempt to move away from the area, not just to other belts in the same system, nor just a system or two away.

If you move away and he/she follows, then that might be considered harassment.

Sounds from your explanation that it's a guy competing with you for resources. I doubt, based on what CCP has previously said, that it would be considered harassment, but a petition would be the only way to know.

Unless it's an issue that falls under rookie griefing:

https://support.eveonline.com/hc/en-us/articles/203209712-Rookie-Griefing

As for how to deal, get together with others and bump his fleet out of mining range. Wardec him. Gank his fleet. Hire mercs. Do unto others as they have done unto you, but x10. It's the Eve way.

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Sobaan Tali
Caldari Quick Reaction Force
#3 - 2016-10-10 03:54:01 UTC
It doesn't really sound like he's done anything that crosses the line where Eve is generally concerned. You could send a support ticket and try that, but I doubt anything will come of it. As you stated, your call but the best action would be to either leave, ignore, or retaliate in game within regs if you fancy. Setup a suicide gank to hit some of his alts or something. You could try to bait him into a fight he's not prepared for. Who knows, you might actually be able to turn it into something fun for both of you.

"Tomahawks?"

"----in' A, right?"

"Trouble is, those things cost like a million and a half each."

"----, you pay me half that and I'll hump in some c4 and blow the ---- out of it my own damn self."
Nero Jove
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#4 - 2016-10-10 03:56:19 UTC
Ugh the worst of all suggestions is always the one that feels like the worst.
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#5 - 2016-10-10 04:01:05 UTC
Nero Jove wrote:
The obvious answer is just leave the system, but that feels like such a cop out.

and complaining on the forums about griefing is what , being proactive?

have you tried ... you know ... doing something about it,
like shooting him in the mouth?

Murderers of Negotiable Motivations

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Piugattuk
Litla Sundlaugin
#6 - 2016-10-10 04:07:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Piugattuk
Nero Jove wrote:
Just curious if a player doing nothing but continually harassing players in a system all day long would be considered griefing by CCP? It was a peaceful system until this guy showed up . First came his 10 toon ice mining fleet. Then came his griefer. He bumps and bumps and bumps. every spawn - every single day. He never misses one. The obvious answer is just leave the system, but that feels like such a cop out. Ideas of how to deal with this are appreciated.



In general its better to leave to a more quite system with a lower population, you are going to get more scorn here then help, most people will tell you if you won't fight for it you don't deserve it.

EVE is pretty big place and there no need to worry about one system, eventually someone will take care of him, I personally have a fleet of duplicate ships spread out over many systems, if there's a disruption in one system I can move to any of a number of other systems and continue the mission, check his info, what was his past Corp, this gives you a clue about what your dealing with (birds of a feather).
Nero Jove
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#7 - 2016-10-10 04:11:34 UTC
All good advice. Just hard to pick up and leave when you call a system home for two years. Fighting options in high security when he is an NPC corp are pretty limited.
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#8 - 2016-10-10 04:14:34 UTC
Nero Jove wrote:
All good advice. Just hard to pick up and leave when you call a system home for two years. Fighting options in high security when he is an NPC corp are pretty limited.

errm, guns work pretty well.
whats he fly?
how does he fit (you know you can scan his fit right)

do you know who his main is? if you do id definitly shoot thatBlink

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Piugattuk
Litla Sundlaugin
#9 - 2016-10-10 04:18:09 UTC
Nero Jove wrote:
All good advice. Just hard to pick up and leave when you call a system home for two years. Fighting options in high security when he is an NPC corp are pretty limited.


If you avoid being near trade hubs, trade routes, and go to a system far, far from large population systems, if you jump in and there's more then 10 people then its better to move till you find one that stays in the single digits, stay away from mission hubs, this attracts other cockroaches.
Sobaan Tali
Caldari Quick Reaction Force
#10 - 2016-10-10 04:22:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Sobaan Tali
Nero Jove wrote:
All good advice. Just hard to pick up and leave when you call a system home for two years. Fighting options in high security when he is an NPC corp are pretty limited.


Don't know how helpful it would be, but I'll tell you what I've done to keep the whole "pack up and move" option from being s huge pain: jump clones. I've set up shop in multiple systems across High Sec rather than what I used to do when I first started, which was to merely turtle in one or two systems. When things get a little dicey, I can simply JC out to a quieter area, then back again when things settle down.

And, if you really stop to think about it, your options are hardly limited when faced with someone in an NPC corp, you just have to play by a different set of rules. You just have to think about how to use that as an advantage or against him rather than simply assume it will always be in his best interests and think nothing more of it. Just because he's found that works for him doesn't mean you can't turn it around on him and make it work for you.

"Tomahawks?"

"----in' A, right?"

"Trouble is, those things cost like a million and a half each."

"----, you pay me half that and I'll hump in some c4 and blow the ---- out of it my own damn self."
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#11 - 2016-10-10 04:29:16 UTC
Scan the ships, post the fits. Someone will be able to help you find and use the available tools like pyfa, in order to estimate the target's EHP. Then you build some ganking ships and start ganking the most valuable ships in the newcomer's fleet.

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Regan Rotineque
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2016-10-10 04:48:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Regan Rotineque
Nero Jove wrote:
Just curious if a player doing nothing but continually harassing players in a system all day long would be considered griefing by CCP? It was a peaceful system until this guy showed up . First came his 10 toon ice mining fleet. Then came his griefer. He bumps and bumps and bumps. every spawn - every single day. He never misses one. The obvious answer is just leave the system, but that feels like such a cop out. Ideas of how to deal with this are appreciated.



Move....if you move and he follows you and continually harasses you that is different. You have a 'choice' to stay there or simply move on. But staying in one system and claiming they are not letting you play does not compute....you can move...go to a different system. There are literally thousands of them to visit and explore.

That or hire someone to grief him back, 10 toon ice mining fleet, sounds like CODE should investigate....
Vincent Pelletier
Pelletier Imports and Exports
#13 - 2016-10-10 05:13:42 UTC
It's not griefing, the fact that he's brought in his own ice miners clearly indicates that he is competing for resources so stop playing the victim.

You have 2 choices:

1) accept his dominance
2) do something about it

#1 would result in you moving away
#2 would involve learning about pvp/combat and/or making friends with people who know pvp/combat (your current corp/alliance doesn't)
Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite
Safety.
#14 - 2016-10-10 06:50:10 UTC
Nero Jove wrote:
All good advice. Just hard to pick up and leave when you call a system home for two years. Fighting options in high security when he is an NPC corp are pretty limited.

Say thanks to all the highsec carebears who cried so hard year after year so that CCP removed all options and made it possible to create practically ungankable mining fleets.

Evil RatKid
Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
EDENCOM DEFENSIVE INITIATIVE
#15 - 2016-10-10 06:57:30 UTC
Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite
Safety.
#16 - 2016-10-10 06:59:33 UTC
Regan Rotineque wrote:
That or hire someone to grief him back, 10 toon ice mining fleet, sounds like CODE should investigate....

We are not your personal police. Also the OP has no mining permit. Maybe he should look for another Highsec elite-PvP content creator if there is even one left.

Otherwise he probably has to move or abandon ice mining. Or mine ice in lowsec where you can actually shoot your competition with a reasonable amount of fire power without losing more assets than the gankee.

Evil RatKid
Escore
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#17 - 2016-10-10 07:51:46 UTC
So if like me you have spent your entire life in EVE just doing the industry thing... where is the best place to go to get PVP'd up so to speak, Or do I would I just gank fit a load of frigates up and go see what happen. Lets be honest frigates and there fittings are mostly free for me as I can make and fit them myself.. but when it comes to actually fighting other players with them I would be a complete virgin.
Chopper Rollins
hahahlolspycorp
#18 - 2016-10-10 08:01:10 UTC
Nero Jove wrote:
... Just hard to pick up and leave when you call a system home for two years. Fighting options in high security when he is an NPC corp are pretty limited.


IT'S TIME TO GET OUT OF HISEC.






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Nahkep Narmelion
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2016-10-10 08:23:07 UTC
Shae Tadaruwa wrote:
By CCPs outline, you would need to make an attempt to move away from the area, not just to other belts in the same system, nor just a system or two away.

If you move away and he/she follows, then that might be considered harassment.

Sounds from your explanation that it's a guy competing with you for resources. I doubt, based on what CCP has previously said, that it would be considered harassment, but a petition would be the only way to know.

Unless it's an issue that falls under rookie griefing:

https://support.eveonline.com/hc/en-us/articles/203209712-Rookie-Griefing

As for how to deal, get together with others and bump his fleet out of mining range. Wardec him. Gank his fleet. Hire mercs. Do unto others as they have done unto you, but x10. It's the Eve way.


This.

If you have made a good faith effort to avoid this player and they are following YOU around and harassing YOU, then you have a case. Baring that, you have very little to stand on.
Nahkep Narmelion
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2016-10-10 08:24:42 UTC
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Nero Jove wrote:
The obvious answer is just leave the system, but that feels like such a cop out.

and complaining on the forums about griefing is what , being proactive?

have you tried ... you know ... doing something about it,
like shooting him in the mouth?


This too...

How about you get in a gank destroyer and push in his poop?
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