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Dev blog: Mining Foreman Revolution

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Sgt Ocker
What Corp is it
#141 - 2016-10-17 11:23:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Sgt Ocker
Amarisen Gream wrote:

Bring Freight containers - fill them off the orca, have them picked up by a freighter.
Or just bring the freighter and fill it off the Orca.
So how much is subbing the extra character to haul worth to you?
Mining is a profession where every character has to earn its keep - If you have to either pull a character off mining duty every 10 minutes or sub an extra one as a dedicated hauler - Your losing isk or having spend more time mining each day to pay for the lost earnings and or extra sub. Not to mention the time taken to train a dedicated hauler....

Another issue with these new boosts is the very common cherry picking of belts - If your not able to do your mining straight after DT each day, your often left with belts that have been picked clean of some ores leaving others.
While this itself is not bad (it is the nature of Eve); I often find I have half my fleet in one belt while the other half can be on the other side of the system in another. On grid boosts, especially such short cycle ones just won't work for efficient productive mining.

Don't even bother mentioning the Porpise - Tried it on SISI using a cruiser (same warp speed as the porpise) and stop watch - even with hyperspacials fit, your not able to keep boosts up on a fleet that is in 2 belts. So, if you hit belts after they have been cherry picked, your sheer out of luck when it comes to productive mining.

Mining productivity being so closely tied to EU TZ will be a huge loss for everyone else.....

My opinions are mine.

  If you don't like them or disagree with me that's OK.- - - - - - Just don't bother Hating - I don't care

It really is getting harder and harder to justify $23 a month for each sub.

Red Leader1
4S Corporation
The Initiative.
#142 - 2016-10-17 22:21:10 UTC
Will the Ice Harvester Drone blueprint and ‘Excavator’ Mining Superdrones blueprints seeded only in the Outer Ring ORE stations or will they be seeded in empire space?
Vumelyan
Thunderwaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#143 - 2016-10-20 22:35:23 UTC
And each Excavator class drone will cost 290-310mil isk, not counting BPO/BPC or shipping cost for a 900hp faction drone that moves along at 1-200 m/s.


Mats
- 60x Elite Drone AI
- 360x Drone Synaptic Relay Wiring
- 360x drone Capillary Fluid
- 300x Drone Cerebral Fragment
- 240x Drone Tactical Limb
- 120x Drone Epidermal Shielding Chunk
- 90x Drone Coronary Unit

200x Morphite

15x R.A.M. - Robotics
1x Modulated Strip Miner II / Ice Harvester II
10x Mining Laser Upgrade II / Ice Harvester Upgrade II

20x Ion Thruster
45x Magnetometric Sensor Cluster
500x Photon Microprocessor
500x Crystalline Carbonide Armor Plate
15x Fusion Reactor Unit
120x Oscillator Capacitor Unit
45x Pulse Shield Emitter
Sgt Ocker
What Corp is it
#144 - 2016-10-21 06:55:22 UTC
Vumelyan wrote:
And each Excavator class drone will cost 290-310mil isk, not counting BPO/BPC or shipping cost for a 900hp faction drone that moves along at 1-200 m/s.


Mats
- 60x Elite Drone AI
- 360x Drone Synaptic Relay Wiring
- 360x drone Capillary Fluid
- 300x Drone Cerebral Fragment
- 240x Drone Tactical Limb
- 120x Drone Epidermal Shielding Chunk
- 90x Drone Coronary Unit

200x Morphite

15x R.A.M. - Robotics
1x Modulated Strip Miner II / Ice Harvester II
10x Mining Laser Upgrade II / Ice Harvester Upgrade II

20x Ion Thruster
45x Magnetometric Sensor Cluster
500x Photon Microprocessor
500x Crystalline Carbonide Armor Plate
15x Fusion Reactor Unit
120x Oscillator Capacitor Unit
45x Pulse Shield Emitter

Source?

My opinions are mine.

  If you don't like them or disagree with me that's OK.- - - - - - Just don't bother Hating - I don't care

It really is getting harder and harder to justify $23 a month for each sub.

Vumelyan
Thunderwaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#145 - 2016-10-21 10:59:24 UTC
you can search the market on SiSi, not for sale yet but they show up in the search
HandelsPharmi
Pharmi on CharBazaar
#146 - 2016-10-21 11:36:54 UTC
Vumelyan wrote:
And each Excavator class drone will cost 290-310mil isk, not counting BPO/BPC or shipping cost for a 900hp faction drone that moves along at 1-200 m/s.


Mats
- 60x Elite Drone AI
- 360x Drone Synaptic Relay Wiring
- 360x drone Capillary Fluid
- 300x Drone Cerebral Fragment
- 240x Drone Tactical Limb
- 120x Drone Epidermal Shielding Chunk
- 90x Drone Coronary Unit

200x Morphite

15x R.A.M. - Robotics
1x Modulated Strip Miner II / Ice Harvester II
10x Mining Laser Upgrade II / Ice Harvester Upgrade II

20x Ion Thruster
45x Magnetometric Sensor Cluster
500x Photon Microprocessor
500x Crystalline Carbonide Armor Plate
15x Fusion Reactor Unit
120x Oscillator Capacitor Unit
45x Pulse Shield Emitter


If the data is true:
ME 0/PE 0

http://evepraisal.com/e/13247326
Sgt Ocker
What Corp is it
#147 - 2016-10-22 12:07:13 UTC
Vumelyan wrote:
you can search the market on SiSi, not for sale yet but they show up in the search

Thanks. My bad, was searching via drones not BPO's.

Those build requirements are a little over the top but then,., they will make nice lossmails.

A single drone with a max velocity of 100m/s (before skills, not that they will help much) at the cost of a pirate battleship - Interesting concept, not really a viable one though.

Question - 25Mbit bandwidth going by the bpo? Has something changed? I thought they were meant to be 50Mbit.

My opinions are mine.

  If you don't like them or disagree with me that's OK.- - - - - - Just don't bother Hating - I don't care

It really is getting harder and harder to justify $23 a month for each sub.

HandelsPharmi
Pharmi on CharBazaar
#148 - 2016-10-22 22:15:50 UTC
I doubt, that these are the final material requirements... it is more to prevent some market speculations.
Lady Gwendolyn Antollare
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#149 - 2016-10-25 03:02:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Lady Gwendolyn Antollare
Really CCP? An aggro timer for my orca cause I used mining bursts???? Bursts by their nature are passive and should not cause me a timer.

Nerfing Hisec has never fixed Losec or Nullsec

Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#150 - 2016-10-25 03:34:37 UTC
Lady Gwendolyn Antollare wrote:
Really CCP? An aggro timer for my orca cause I used mining bursts???? Bursts by their nature are passive and should not cause me a timer.

This is to stop station games & effectively invulnerable boosters. Given you will be in a belt, it's not going to cause any real effect to an orca being used for mining boosts. Also dispersing nanites is hardly 'passive'
HandelsPharmi
Pharmi on CharBazaar
#151 - 2016-10-25 05:48:17 UTC
According to the data on Sisi, the T2 Ice Harvesting Drones will need 5 MBit band width...

this means, a max skilled Orca with T2 drones can harvest around 189 ice cubes per hour?
Without rigs, but maxed tanked...

this is more than a perfect hulk as far I can see?

Or is this an error in the data base and the band width should be 50 like the T1 version?

Never the less, both versions have a volume of 50 m³, therefore not many industrial ships are capable to fit more than one drone.
Mr Grape Drink
Doomheim
#152 - 2016-10-25 20:29:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Mr Grape Drink
What's the thoughts on the asteroid belts in null that have the asteroids spread out over 2-3k km? It seems there are a ton of them and Warping a Rorq/Orca around to get one or two asteroids from here and there is going to suck some massive ass?
Kenneth Fritz
DND Industries
#153 - 2016-10-25 22:28:55 UTC
ripper1 Tivianne wrote:
ShockedShockedShocked A 1000 unit's of heavy water a cycle!!!!OopsEvilEvil

Not liking these change's! Small corp's will find this hard to cope with, let alone the price of the rorqual..UghShockedShocked



1000 units of heavy water isn't as bad as it sounds since during fuel production you end up amassing a large amount of extra. So while it makes it a bit more involved it's not a game breaker in the least.

Who's your end of the world buddy?

Ali Virgo
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#154 - 2016-10-29 04:20:19 UTC

Rorquals  go into siege to amp up boost but they don't require  any Capital Siege Array to be made. why is that
Emma Davaham
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#155 - 2016-10-29 16:53:00 UTC
So did some playing around with the rorq on sisi.

in siege mode with 5 super drones and max skills using the industrial core II i was able to mine 76 glare crust in 10 minutes sitting off a roid at about 1,000 meters, or one block every 8 seconds.

Outside of siege mode hitting the same roid from approxamtely the same distance i was able to mine about 33 in 10 minutes, or one block every 18 seconds.

Now as far as the rorq boosts it seems a bit underwhelming.

on Tranq a fully boosted skiff with my pilot was able to get about 29 second cycle times. However using the pulse boosts the best i could get on the same setting wad 49 second cycle times. This is a pretty bad hit for the rest of the fleet. Yes, you get protection from the panic button, but if you are at all paying attention then you don't need to use it.


Oh, and then my rorq got torched by a serpentis dreadnought, which i could not get away from since it webbed/scrammed/neuted me.
Flashmala
BlackWatch Industrial Group
Memento Moriendo
#156 - 2016-10-31 19:53:25 UTC
With regard to the PANIC module, the dev blog stated the following :

"The module only requires Invulnerability Core Operation level 1 to operate, and the skill increases the duration of the P.A.N.I.C. effect by 10% per level. This means that Rorqual pilots can strategically train the Invulnerability Core Operation skill to whatever level they wish and ensures that the Rorqual pilot and its fleet have more information about when the effect will end than the attackers do."

This would indicate that some element of question was intended to not give away the timing of the PANIC cycle end. However, on Sisi, the bubble surrounding the Rorqual, when the PANIC module is engaged, starts to wobble when it nears the end of its cycle, so the enemy can visually see when the cycle is about to end.

These seem counter to each other and we are wondering which of these scenarios was the intended one?

Age does not diminish the extreme disappointment of having a scoop of ice cream fall from the cone.

Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#157 - 2016-10-31 21:24:51 UTC
Flashmala wrote:


These seem counter to each other and we are wondering which of these scenarios was the intended one?


Both at once probably.

The wobbling only gives them what, 15 seconds notice?
So they are taking a gamble on how long they will have to wait till they see that effect, but seeing the effect gives them notice they can start shooting again very very soon.
But..... if they know they are within 2 jumps of a staging system...... do they wait or not. How long do they risk giving a response fleet to form. If it's 5 minutes they might be ok, if it's 7 minutes they might not be. That's the idea of the uncertainty.
Of course, I can't see any real reason to keep the timer lower for the defender. It doesn't give immunity to tackle, so they can keep web/points on your ships the whole time. So the longer the timer the more chance defenders (or third party) will arrive in time to mess things up.

It doesn't even prevent all damage for that matter, those might be insane shield resists, but the passive regen rate of a barge only gives them something like a 10k tank under the Panic module I believe. Pretty awesome for a barge, but not unbreakable, and if you can punch through the shield with enough damage the armour & hull are then tin foil.
So neut them out so they can't local rep, neut the Rorq so it can't RR, and you can kill people while panic'ed if the maths is right.
Pom Agrant
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#158 - 2016-11-11 18:57:49 UTC
At first, I was very interested in the new mining drones and Rorqual. After testing them on Sisi, I am very disappointed. Mining drones are too slow, too expensive (300mil each for the excavators? What the... were you thinking?)

There is still no shortcut to tell mining drones to mine. "F?" come on... This is easy to fix. Whoever made this needs to be forced to mine for 24hrs straight, using nothing but drones, right-clicking until their ears bleed, as punishment.

That is all...
Frances Voltaire
Eldorado Exhumers
Fractions of PI
#159 - 2016-11-11 21:56:01 UTC
Pom Agrant wrote:
At first, I was very interested in the new mining drones and Rorqual. After testing them on Sisi, I am very disappointed. Mining drones are too slow, too expensive (300mil each for the excavators? What the... were you thinking?)

There is still no shortcut to tell mining drones to mine. "F?" come on... This is easy to fix. Whoever made this needs to be forced to mine for 24hrs straight, using nothing but drones, right-clicking until their ears bleed, as punishment.

That is all...

Amen Brother!!!

Better yet, could mining drones mine what the strip miner is mining or the rock a Target Painter is painting if they are not already mining something else? You know, same as how combat drones attack whatever your shooting at or target painting.

This may be a HUGE ask, is there anyway we can get a shortcut key assignment for launching drones? Something that would launch whatever drones are not grouped up to max bandwidth?

Miners could leave mining drones UN-grouped
Drone boats could leave their go to drones UN-grouped
MrEaglesNL ghkopkhosmoh
Hypnotic Anarchy
Fraternity.
#160 - 2016-11-21 22:59:09 UTC
I would like to say something.

I made some calculations and i found a mistake in the ice harvesting drones.
This has the effect of giving someone a reduction of 110% on ice harvesting.

This is my math:
The orca role bonus give 25% reduction on ice harvesting drones cycle speed.
The industrial command ships skill gives a reduction of 50% on cycle speed at level 5
the ice harvesting drone operation skill gives a 25% reduction at level V
The ice harvesting drone specialization skill give a 10% reduction at level 5

This combines for a total of 110% on ice harvesting drones cycle speed.

Please look at this and confirm if this is true or not.

have a nice day
MrEaglesNL
Nova Tectonic