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Catching frigates in low sec.
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Il Feytid
State War Academy
Caldari State
#1 - 2011-12-22 16:54:09 UTC
How hard is it to catch a frigate in low sec? I mean outside of sitting a smartbombing battleship where they would land near the gate, how hard is it? I have heard of a ton of people remote sensor boosting a Phobos and he could point anything outside of a shuttle or something before it warps off.
Vandir Rael
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2011-12-22 17:14:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Vandir Rael
Marlona Sky wrote:
How hard is it to catch a frigate in low sec? I mean outside of sitting a smartbombing battleship where they would land near the gate, how hard is it? I have heard of a ton of people remote sensor boosting a Phobos and he could point anything outside of a shuttle or something before it warps off.

Get some Sebo on a minnie cruiser and it will do the job i suppose
Killstealing
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2011-12-22 17:14:49 UTC
slap some sebos on a cane aw yeah
Gritz1
Ice Fire Warriors
#4 - 2011-12-22 17:20:12 UTC
A sensor booster ares can catch them, but holding onto them and having friends help take him down is another story.
Il Feytid
State War Academy
Caldari State
#5 - 2011-12-22 17:20:55 UTC
I am also curious on ways a frigate can avoid such gate camps. I really don't want to give away too much, but I am trying to gather information to plan another event in low sec and I am trying to do some research on ways evil pirates can kill frigates and ways these frigates can avoid said evil pirates. Yes I know there is the covert ops frigates, but l most likely will be banning those from being used.
Chandaris
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
#6 - 2011-12-22 18:39:05 UTC
instalock t3
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#7 - 2011-12-22 18:54:58 UTC
To stay alive: iStabbed CovOps (visible for one 1s tick = impossible to lock, no bubble = next to impossible to decloak)

To kill CovOps in lowsec: Smartbombs, or get lucky vs a shitty covops pilot.

Other frigs you have a shot with a bunch of Sebos if their align time is over 2s (1s to lock, 1s for module activation).

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Lady Spank
Get Out Nasty Face
#8 - 2011-12-22 20:42:44 UTC
Don't encourage remote sebo horseshit please.

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RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#9 - 2011-12-22 20:50:34 UTC
Lady Spank wrote:
Don't encourage remote sebo horseshit please.


I'm not a sentry gun, popping frigates, how can I encourage rSEBO horseshit? Pirate

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Sjugar
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#10 - 2011-12-22 22:00:08 UTC
I thought warping to top belt did the trick.
Lady Spank
Get Out Nasty Face
#11 - 2011-12-22 22:20:14 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:
Lady Spank wrote:
Don't encourage remote sebo horseshit please.


I'm not a sentry gun, popping frigates, how can I encourage rSEBO horseshit? Pirate


I was referring to the whole gatecamping bullcrap, not the post directly above mine.

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RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#12 - 2011-12-22 22:21:44 UTC
Lady Spank wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:
Lady Spank wrote:
Don't encourage remote sebo horseshit please.


I'm not a sentry gun, popping frigates, how can I encourage rSEBO horseshit? Pirate


I was referring to the whole gatecamping bullcrap, not the post directly above mine.


Gatecamping beats the hell out of ratting when I'm too tired or drunk to roam.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Lady Spank
Get Out Nasty Face
#13 - 2011-12-22 23:37:32 UTC
To spell my point out a little more clearly... Creating an event encouraging and promoting stupid gatecamping techniques which damage solo/v small gang roams is pretty bad.

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RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#14 - 2011-12-22 23:51:29 UTC
Lady Spank wrote:
To spell my point out a little more clearly... Creating an event encouraging and promoting stupid gatecamping techniques which damage solo/v small gang roams is pretty bad.


I think OP is trying to set up another fight like the one they did with their Moros. Encouraging a Lots-O-Frigs killing a Dreadnaught, but trying to help people get their with less getting dead.


That said, Gatecamps are annoying to pass through, lazy to be in, and a poor mechanic for Lowsec and NPC Null. Sov null needs them help define borders (like RL border patrol, but worse at it). But they're pretty well inevitable without some way to pick fights on the path between gates.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Il Feytid
State War Academy
Caldari State
#15 - 2011-12-23 00:54:20 UTC
Lady Spank wrote:
To spell my point out a little more clearly... Creating an event encouraging and promoting stupid gatecamping techniques which damage solo/v small gang roams is pretty bad.


I'm exploring the intricacies of gate camps designed to catch small ships. Not to encourage more of them, but to find out thier weaknesses. Keep in mind that no matter what event I plan or what theme it is; there will always be players trying to do anything to disrupt it. So if my event causes some gate camps to happen, there is nothing I can do about it.

If they bothered you so much you could always get some friends and do something about it you know. Blink
Lady Spank
Get Out Nasty Face
#16 - 2011-12-23 01:30:58 UTC
What part of solo don't you understand. All of it probably.

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Il Feytid
State War Academy
Caldari State
#17 - 2011-12-23 01:44:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Il Feytid
Lady Spank wrote:
What part of solo don't you understand. All of it probably.


I understand that solo PvP has been dead for a very long time now. The only thing that comes close is fake solo PvP which means using RR alts, bonus alts and scout alts to help.

Anyways this is straying away from the topic. So it is my understanding is that if the frigate can align and warp in under two seconds; anything outside of another frigate won't be able to catch it?
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#18 - 2011-12-23 02:11:23 UTC
Marlona Sky wrote:
Lady Spank wrote:
What part of solo don't you understand. All of it probably.


I understand that solo PvP has been dead for a very long time now. The only thing that comes close is fake solo PvP which means using RR alts, bonus alts and scout alts to help.

Anyways this is straying away from the topic. So it is my understanding is that if the frigate can align and warp in under two seconds; anything outside of another frigate won't be able to catch it?


Discussion Time.

Eve operates in 1 second ticks. That's why you can't lock a cloaky before it cloaks.
The following is roughly how I understand it to work.

Tick 1: Send Warpto Command.
Tick 2: Uncloak, initiate warp (align time starts) > Send Cloak command. Begin Targeting (assume <1s targetting time)
Tick 3: Cloak dissapears you. Targetting cancelled instead of completed.

Without a cloak:
Tick 1: Send Warpto Command.
Tick 2: Uncloak, initiate Warp (align time starts). Begin Targeting, Point Hot.
Tick 3: 1s into align time. Target locked, tell point to activate (not 100% sure the point can never activate this tick).
Tick 4: Align time completed, Enter warp. Point attempts to activate, target is in warp, target unlocked.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Lady Spank
Get Out Nasty Face
#19 - 2011-12-23 02:26:07 UTC
I'm not exactly pro, far from it, but an idle check will show an obvious disposition for solo. Unless you think I widely roam in cheap frigs and bother to slow myself down with scouts, links or rr.

I appreciate your keen attitude after your butthurt ragequit but your naivety is blatant.

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wallenbergaren
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2011-12-24 16:36:54 UTC
Best fast locking ship in lowsec is a Legion which can easily get interceptor levels of scan res. With one of those you can catch pretty much anything that doesn't cloak, but you don't see them all that often so generally in lowsec you can fly around with total impunity in a frig except for smartbombing BS but you'll often know where those are. If you're doing an event though... people will be able to catch frigates that are participating in a race or something unless they do the cloak + mwd trick.
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