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Which Mining Barge for 0.0 space?
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Caesar Shepherd
Juro Political Extraction
#1 - 2016-10-03 15:17:28 UTC
Sorry if this is the wrong forum group, I consider this more of a PvP topic than an Industry topic.

Whenever I watch a youtube video of people mining in Nullsec, they always fly a procurer. My thoughts on the matter are:

1) If you're mining in hisec, a procurer is a good option since you only have to survive a gank long enough for concord to arrive. It also let's you AFK mine (yeah yeah I know).

2) If you're in low/null/wh, you might as well forget about tank and maximize yield since if you get caught you're screwed anyway. You cannot AFK mine outside of hisec so your "tank" is watching the dscan, watching local, and staying aligned with 75% engines all the time. If your attacker can get past these defenses... sux to be you.

So why do these people with much more experience than me always fly procurers in 0.0? Do they actually stand a chance if they're attacked? The only thing I can think of is to tank rats, but those never seem to be that big of a problem anyway.

Caesar
Sonya Corvinus
Grant Village
#2 - 2016-10-03 16:14:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Sonya Corvinus
IMO it's not about what I'm flying, it's about what the other miners are flying. If I'm in a procurer and other miners are in macks/retrievers/etc, they are the first target, not me. While they are getting tacked and shot, I have a chance to escape. The safest way to mine is to be in the same belt as an easier ship to blow up. You will never be pointed first.

Also if you're out of HS I assume you are in a standing defense fleet and on voice comms. If you have a decent tank that lets you call for help and get rescued.
Christopher Mabata
Northern Accounts and Systems
#3 - 2016-10-03 17:14:52 UTC
Skiffs are a good choice since they have the equivalent tank of a HAC and can bite back, sometimes quite hard.

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Tung Yoggi
University of Caille
#4 - 2016-10-03 17:23:49 UTC
Procurers are:

- cheap, easy to replace
- able to tank some rat damage, and kill them without support
- able to tank some enemy damage while backup arrives
- dangerous in gangs with appropriate support, they can kill or fend off lone wolves and small ragtag gangs. Not all procurer fleets fight back, but when they do they're nasty. Skiffs are even scarier, but expensive.

High yield, low tank barges are mostly used with good intel, bubbled gates and/or by non-afk players/multiboxers
March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2016-10-17 15:57:04 UTC
I found that Endurance is the best in many cases:
- it has not too low mining efficiency (lower than barges but still high-enough)
- it is cheap
- tanked fit does not care about rats (unless frigates with scramblers/webs but you kill such rats with drones)
- putting stabs into lows you even can mine in system with neutrals - when we warps in you have enough time to leave and it is not often for cloaky camper to have 2 scrams

Using barges you would need to either heavily tank it to survive rats or you can fit for mining efficiency but then need to have combat ship to clean belt....

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Arronicus
State War Academy
Caldari State
#6 - 2016-10-22 05:07:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Arronicus
Caesar Shepherd wrote:

So why do these people with much more experience than me always fly procurers in 0.0?
Caesar


This is completely wrong, and you've been trolled. In areas with serious/experienced miners, Hulks are used by those with the ability to haul with an alt, mackinaws by those without, and procurers only when the system is camped. Hulks tank (sub capital) rats just fine, can warp out fast enough if you warp the moment hostiles enter even a small system, or within a few seconds in larger systems, have what, double the yield of a procurer? and no longer have issues with holding enough mining crystals. Also, a couple hulks can clear any sub capital, non officer rat spawn just fine.

Procurers are not a serious/viable option for nullsec for people interested in pulling isk
, the yield and range are way too low.
Substantia Nigra
Polaris Rising
Goonswarm Federation
#7 - 2016-10-26 02:08:10 UTC
Now that our enemies mafia funding has dried-up I am planning to re-establish my mining and industry efforts. It is my intention to use mainly skiffs with a few hulks. A couple of the skiffs will be setup to be mercoxit-specific but all others will be built for general mining duties. I tend not to use mining drones, and I never mine without scouts in the pipeline leading to my system.

As I see it the skiff:
- Offers the least ore-per-picosecond of the exhumers (around 20% less), but more than compensates by;
- Tanking like a mongrel … against both rats and evil doers;
- Having decent offensive capability being able to run a flight each of combat mediums, combat smalls, and EC smalls; and
- Having pretty good run-away warp capability for an exhumer.

The hulk provides more ore-per-picosecond, but at the cost of less of the other three things. I usually bring out the hulks when I am feeling safe, am able to pay attention, and am mining arkonor.

I guess I am almost a 'vet' by now. Hopefully not too bitter and managing to help more than I hinder. I build and sell many things, including large collections of bookmarks.