Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I very much doubt that SP-related balancing caused much of a subscriber drop except possible in the case of Titan/Super rebalancing as those are largely tied to alt accounts dedicated to those ships in the first place.

I find it far more compelling that changes to the meta as a whole have chased some people away -- sov changes in particular.

However, I also find it far more compelling to say that some people just don't have time to play any more and that the major decline we see is in the inability to replace veteran players retiring for RL issues with new players. As much as I loathe to say it, I also find it compelling that SP injection for new players, the greedy little bastards, helps to fill this gap.

You make good points. Regarding the meta-changes like sov., my thinking is that a veteran player at least has the chance to rethink their approach to Eve even if the skill reallocation does not map directly to skills. It's a form of new opportunity, but not a silver bullet / perfect fix.

However, it does recognize the development / cultural preferences of CCP and the reality of social psychology which factors into consumer decisions. I think CCP has accepted player base loss around major changes as a given "cost of doing business" without applying the same innovative thinking to this psychological dynamic as they have in their actual game. Extending an offer like this prior to a change for players subbed up through some period of time after the change might be an incentive to continue.

Pretty much this. With -- checking -- 205mil SP I can't figure out what I'd move around in response to a change. You could possibly make the point that at 80mil SP you'd want to reallocate based on game changes, but true bittervets? We're basically nerf proof and have intentionally trained that way for years.

I'd say that instant reallocation, rather than helping retain me and people like me, would rather be a slap in the face. I've slowly allocated my position over time and now anyone can just jump to it depending on the winds of change? No thank you.

Aside. This is part of why I don't really care for injectors. However, the effective SP tax helps ease that and prevents instant reallocation for cash. Without that tax I'd be bitter indeed.

If I were to make an educated guess, I would say CCP is sending "the wrong message".

Remember a few years back someone forgot to pay "the bill" for a tcu or i-hub which quickly escalated in an 18 hour 100% tidi fight?

News broke out all over CNN and whatnot all over the world, saying "join EVE and make epic zee battle all day now!!!"

People joined and were totally surprised that all the 14 year old teenagers could not fly zee titan on day one - ouuuh man...


CCP thought that was a great idea, turns out it wasn't, not that anyone could have told them that.


Then look to some "tiny mishaps" they created, naming ancillery everything and rapid doomsdays or frigate missiles. While I was trying to get medium missiles fixed for many, many years.

CCP doesn't like Caldari because someone in the band of developers was ganked by a Raven and lost zee boat.

Years later the Caldari had one boat that could, only to get overnerfed and overpriced a year later.

Then came the "prototype modules" which overbuffed everything slav- errm minmatar related, making them unkilllable monstrosities and everything else that was minmatar was made better at everything than everything else.

The EVE lore was ignored, never heard of and put under the rug when it came to new toys.

You can look at the only interdiction destroyer in the game. To this day the Caldari, the Gallente and the Amarr ones are missing.
Heavy assault missiles and heavy missiles are unusable and the only weapon for missile ships are frigate missiles.

I used to want a one time use - SP reset button. But now I don't give a flying ducks backside. Trolls will be trolls. CCP has no desire to allow a single use SP reallocation when they make major game mechanic changes. So add some extra lube and sit gently.

Again, I think you're ignoring what my post is about. There's nothing whimsical here, the idea is driven by CCP not players. I am not talking about arbitrary reroll, I am discussing player retention. If it leads to player retention where the player base is otherwise going to drop off to the tune of $11 million dollars in one year, maybe it's a win?

Citations needed.
Drop off in online player count does not mean drop off in revenue. Drop in revenue does not always mean a dying game, it often leads to a leaner more focused company.
So, please provide some real figures to both show that EVE is dying (When the destruction, industry & mining metrics are all up despite the lower player count), and that the inability to change SP will actually cause significant loss of players.

You know that there was this entire other game which they will have ceased getting income from in 2015 right....... after it's closing became an obvious thing. And that game was making them money contrary to popular opinion.
Also LOL @ you trying to use a statement that shows them making a significant upswing in profits. Even if we ignore the R&D costs which obviously included some major write off or purchase if not several they reduced overhead in a bunch of places and still had nearly the same income.

P.S. That difference is 9 million, not 11 million, learn to maths.

So yea, Citation fail on your part, those financial statements show nothing to support your argument.

Yes, there is a drop in subscriptions.... Except it's only a maybe. Since all we know is there is a drop in revenue.
As one would expect when things like MCT are introduced since they reduce the need for subscriptions to train alts initially before transference to the main account. Or are more people simply paying with annual rather than monthly subscriptions, that would cause that much of a drop in revenue if a large number switched to annual with the discount.
Now bother reading further down like you just asked me to and see the statement where they compare the annual incomes, and the exchange rates. It's a total difference of 4% to start with, with a lower exchange rate than previous years.
Not to mention it's the first profit statement in 3 years.

So sure, subscriptions might be down slightly, but that doesn't actually mean anything even if it is true.
Because activity metrics as rated by destruction, creation & everything else inside the game are actually up.
Meaning all we have shed are a few dead weight subscriptions assuming we have shed them at all and that they haven't turned into MCT accounts instead using up stored plex (Which therefore writes off 'debt').

And no, your psuedo psych BS does not get counted as true simply because people object to your idea.
Because people objecting to your idea have legitimate real reasons to call you out, and just because they didn't list them in this thread doesn't mean they haven't listed them in the last 99 'let us Respec' threads that have appeared on this forum. Something even basic research on your part would have revealed.

Oh no, Industry practices have changed in the last 6 years..... because every MMO other than CCP reports their subscriber numbers.... Oh wait, that's right, they don't. That's why subscriber tracking websites all shut down because no-one reports any figures any more.

And nice ignore of the rest of my post where even if the subscriber number is down it's irrelevant.