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Operation Moonshock [DECLASSIFIED]

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William Danneskjold
#121 - 2016-09-28 20:59:38 UTC
Jaret Victorian wrote:
Ben Booley wrote:

Ineffective and ridiculous put the TES Purity in gravdock for 8 weeks.

You can repair a 15-something kilometers long ship in a couple of seconds? Do tell.


I have to admit, that puzzles me too.
*messes up his own hair, holds his hands about a half meter apart, and deadpans*
Apostles.

War is murder. It always has been, always will be. Murder in the name of God. Freedom. Your country. Whatever it is, it is murder. I am already against the next set of wars.

Jaret Victorian
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#122 - 2016-09-28 21:03:16 UTC
William Danneskjold wrote:

I have to admit, that puzzles me too.
Apostles.

Apostles? These kind of repairs are good for something makeshift. You know, to make sure the ship survives the engagement and doesn't fall apart, or its power systems don't implode. Proper maintenance takes time, resources, people, drones, tests and a proper dockyard.

I am not sure why I'm telling you all this, but here you go.
Neph
Crimson Serpent Syndicate
#123 - 2016-09-28 21:16:24 UTC
William Danneskjold wrote:
Jaret Victorian wrote:
Ben Booley wrote:

Ineffective and ridiculous put the TES Purity in gravdock for 8 weeks.

You can repair a 15-something kilometers long ship in a couple of seconds? Do tell.


I have to admit, that puzzles me too.
*messes up his own hair, holds his hands about a half meter apart, and deadpans*
Apostles.


It sounds like there's structural damage, and armor reps can't fix that. And we all know how hard it is to run hull repairs outside of station.

I guess what I'm trying to say is Nanite Paste Can't Heal Trit Beams.

Besides, it's the Empress's ship. The repairs could probably take just a week or two to meet most standards, but I'm sure TES Purity must be more than perfect.

~ Gariushi YC110 // Midular YC115 // Yanala YC115 ~

"Orte Jaitovalte sitasuyti ne obuetsa useuut ishu. Ketsiak ishiulyn." -Yakiya Tovil-Toba-taisoka

Arrendis
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#124 - 2016-09-28 21:20:27 UTC
Ben Booley wrote:
Ineffective and ridiculous put the TES Purity in gravdock for 8 weeks.


Yup. Because locally-fitted nanoassemblers couldn't rebuild the plates in a matter of hours, just like we do regularly. Let's be honest, Purity is going to be in gravdock for eight weeks because they'll want to take the time to make sure the freighters weren't a distraction, with the explosions being used as a way to crack the plates and get something else inside the hull. So they're going to be cautious, what with the whole 'insurrection', and they're going to make a big show of going over the ship to 'fix' everything while they quintuple-check every bulkhead for hidden bombs or surveillance systems, let the crew who were injured by the concussive force heal up, and redouble the background checks on all of them.

Meanwhile, the non-capsuleer Empress has no reason to need the ship in the intervening time. It's not going to be part of normal combat patrols. It's there in case she needs to go someplace. Which she doesn't, and won't for the forseeable future, as she's likely to be busy getting settled into the business of being Empress for the next while. They say the first hundred days is important, after all.

So why rush things? Put it in gravdock for eight weeks. Take it nice and slow, and be thorough. The ship is almost certainly already combat-ready again. The six Apostle-class Force Auxiliaries that were present would have needed roughly thirteen minutes to completely rebuild the armor plate across the entire ship, even if it had been completely stripped, which we all know it wasn't. What's more, you know that. You're not Ronin—you're just as capable as I am of doing the math on the performance specifications of an Apostle and how long it takes to rebuild the armor plate on an Avatar-class titan, even taking into account the new capital-scale plates. Even pretending you buy into the 'we crippled the ship for eight weeks' nonsense for purposes of your own chest-beating just makes you look more clownish than before.

So yes. You made a big splash that was pretty much erased by the time you got here to brag. Which means it had no effect.

Which makes you ineffective. And investing so much effort into bragging about your ineffectiveness? It's one thing from a line member. In the guy who's supposedly running the whole Alliance and should have better things to do with his time? It's ridiculous.
Arrendis
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#125 - 2016-09-28 21:26:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Arrendis
Jaret Victorian wrote:
Apostles? These kind of repairs are good for something makeshift. You know, to make sure the ship survives the engagement and doesn't fall apart, or its power systems don't implode. Proper maintenance takes time, resources, people, drones, tests and a proper dockyard.


That's actually not true. While the nanobot assemblers used on an Apostle's primary remote assistance systems focus on armor plate, systemic damage can be addressed via the use of Type II Heavy Hull Maintenance bots. The nanoassemblers they dispense interface with the ship's systems in order to rebuild structure and critical systems according to the ship's internal schematics. That's why, even though every capital ship has small variations in the placement of consoles, paneling, and even minor structural elements, the nanoassemblers can be used on every ship, even in the case of logibots picked up adrift in space only moments before, all without having to load specialized scripts or datasets.

Given enough time, they can rebuild a ship from a barely-functioning hulk to near-pristine condition. Upkeep, however, as well as inspection of repaired systems, and getting sniffers in to scour the 15 or so kilometers of the ship for explosives or other packages 'inserted' during the explosion... that can take time.

EDIT: Actually, having just run a few numbers, if we assume Purity had no fitted or nonstandard additional bulkheads, it would take a flight of hull bots from each of the six Apostles present a total of 24.89711934 minutes to rebuild the hull and integral systems to peak performance from 'it should be dead'.
Jaret Victorian
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#126 - 2016-09-28 21:35:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Jaret Victorian
Yeah, that's actually not true, Arrendis. Or we'd have Avatars built in an hour, repairs and refittings done in a second.

Sounds crazy, right?

Empress's ship may as well be full of hand-crafted gold statues of, I don't know, Amarr Heroes or something. People pay top notch money for this kind of stuff.
Arrendis
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#127 - 2016-09-28 21:36:50 UTC
Jaret Victorian wrote:
Yeah, that's actually not true, Arrendis. Or we'd have Avatars built in an hour, repairs and refittings done in a second.

Sounds crazy, right?


Building is a far more complicated thing than the repairs are. My numbers reflect actual operation in-space for ships that remain in perfect operational condition despite not having seen the inside of a gravdock for years.

Repairs are not the delay here.
Jaret Victorian
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#128 - 2016-09-28 21:40:56 UTC
Arrendis wrote:

Building is a far more complicated thing than the repairs are. My numbers reflect actual operation in-space for ships that remain in perfect operational condition despite not having seen the inside of a gravdock for years.

Repairs are not the delay here.

I think I'll leave you to your fantasies.
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#129 - 2016-09-28 22:16:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Pieter Tuulinen
Arrendis wrote:
Jaret Victorian wrote:
Yeah, that's actually not true, Arrendis. Or we'd have Avatars built in an hour, repairs and refittings done in a second.

Sounds crazy, right?


Building is a far more complicated thing than the repairs are. My numbers reflect actual operation in-space for ships that remain in perfect operational condition despite not having seen the inside of a gravdock for years.

Repairs are not the delay here.


If I was in charge of the Empress's barge, I'd do a damn sight more than just repair the battle damage. I'd probably cut entire sections of the hull and frame away and scratch-build replacements.

I'd also do more than pull modules and systems off the shelf. I'm sure it'll take eight weeks to finish but I'm also sure everything will be very carefully manufactured to order out of materials that are purpose-mined by extremely trusted resource gatherers.

They probably ARE manufacturing all the affected sections from scratch.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Jaret Victorian
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#130 - 2016-09-28 22:20:02 UTC
I sure wouldn't like to serve on goon ships. Never know when the duct tape falls off along with the hull, warp core and engines.
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#131 - 2016-09-28 22:29:26 UTC
Jaret Victorian wrote:
I sure wouldn't like to serve on goon ships. Never know when the duct tape falls off along with the hull, warp core and engines.


You should see some of the armour plate welds on my Condors and Merlins, Jaret. I doubt that disposable but functional standards apply to the Imperial titan, is all.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Arrendis
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#132 - 2016-09-28 22:33:54 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
They probably ARE manufacturing all the affected sections from scratch.


That's certainly a possibility. I still think it's more likely an overabundance of caution.

And Jaret: One of these days, perhaps you'll get a clue.
Jaret Victorian
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#133 - 2016-09-28 22:38:26 UTC
Arrendis wrote:

And Jaret: One of these days, perhaps you'll get a clue.

I've pissed off so many "powerful" people, they'd need to get in line to give me their clues.
Arrendis
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#134 - 2016-09-28 22:57:00 UTC
Jaret Victorian wrote:
I've pissed off so many "powerful" people, they'd need to get in line to give me their clues.


Why would they give you their clues? I'm sure they need them.
Seraphim Risen
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
#135 - 2016-09-28 23:15:10 UTC
My actions and involvement were my own and Rote Kapelle's, and were in no way connected to the Order of Jamyl, of which I forfeit my membership, or the other Amarr entities with whom I have interacted.

Never not badpost.

Ayallah
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#136 - 2016-09-29 02:48:50 UTC
Nano assemblers like the ones projected during tether can repair a ship very quickly.

Either way, 8 weeks or a few minutes, you are still bragging about failing to do anything else but inconvenience the largest nation in New Eden and the richest person in New Eden for a short time. Rote feels that this is some crowning achievement that demonstrates their "noble" ideals. It is not.

An impotent terrorist who swayed no people and had no message.

Goddess of the IGS

As strength goes.

Kador Ouryon
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#137 - 2016-09-29 04:50:33 UTC
Morgan Wulver wrote:
I'm actually inclined to thank you lot. Watching the Empress not give a flying **** while your terror plot unraveled around her was the single greatest piece of television I've seen since war broadcasts from Operation Highlander.


Morgan... never change you smirking bastard.

What fills the soul? Something that guides a lost child back to it's parents arms. Or waves that dye the shores of the heart gold. A blessed breath to nurture life in a land of wheat. Or the path the Sef descend drawn in ash. In the wake of fire.

Lister Stark
Vic Johnson's bait shop
Rote Works
#138 - 2016-09-29 05:49:43 UTC
We were not trying to sway those who would take the collar upon themselves and call it a gift, but if it feeds into your feeling of self-worth then so be it.
The message was seen by those who needed to see it. The point was not to kill the Empress... that would have just been an added benefit. So you can bicker about the relevance of our deeds, or the lasting effects on the "Empire." Your words here will not change what is to come, and they are nothing but a passing fancy to us.
Diana Kim
Caldari Colonial Defense Ministry
Templis CALSF
#139 - 2016-09-29 06:10:50 UTC
Seraphim Risen wrote:
At 20:14 today, two Providence-class vessels impacted the TES Purity at full speed. Each contained 2,891,000 units of Antimatter L ammunition. Using a transmitter, two consumer electronics, a self harmonizing power core, and a thermonuclear power unit, they were wired into large bombs. Attached to each were six slavers. And a postcard from Poitot.

As the ships made impact, a nearby Rote Kapelle Scorpion used an ECM Bust to trigger the explosives in the assassination attempt. The attempt, while angering CONCORD and aggressing over 60 nearby pilots, did not appear to damage Empress Catiz's titan.

Empress Catiz and the Empire represent the antithesis to Rote Kapelle's beliefs and ideals.

Your attempt to sabotage the Empire has been noticed. Enjoy your status as an enemy of the Empire, the State and the rest of civilized humanity. But please keep in mind...

All enemies of the State WILL DIE.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Alizabeth Vea
Doomheim
#140 - 2016-09-29 07:04:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Alizabeth Vea
Jaret Victorian wrote:
Did this incident wuth Purity extremists not teach you anything?

- A lawsuit from Pend. Don't think they take kindly to their reputation being blackened by bad press.
- Termination of your cloning contracts. You are still on CONCORD leash.
- Outlawing of your organisations. Saw Serpentis? Yeah. Turn on the media machine, place a price tag, promise rewards and you are done.

I think you are not quite aware that you can be undone in mere moments. This is the reality. You have caused enough headache to good people in your organisation and I really don't understand why you are still its employees.

I don't know if you're a naif or an idealistic idiot. This is what Rote Kapelle is. Lady Lagann is an outlier, not the baseline.
As far as what is going to happen to Rote: nothing. Do you actually think that CONCORD is going to deactivate the clones of an entire alliance just because they tried to kill the Empress?
A few years ago, I tried to arrange an assassination of one of the Tribal chiefs. I think that MiniLuv tried to hit the Starkmanir one, but I'd have to go look. Not only did Goonswarm make the attempt, they exposed that CONCORD was illegally letting the Minmatar use their shielding technology, which is why the assassination attempt failed. (Sorry, Arrendis.)
Nothing happened to Goons. Nothing happened to me. Nothing happened to Warr's fleet. There was a security status hit, but that was all.
Rote Kapelle already lives in low security space. People already try to kill them. I am sure that if someone sent pilots after them, they would just enjoy the targets. The Serpentis are just targets to capsuleers, Rote can fight back.
As far as a lawsuit goes, I had an explanation, but I can't type and laugh at the same time.

You might be thinking of the time CONCORD dropped the hammer on you all for Tukoss's brain. The simple fact is that they got away with it because they had leverage on you all. You were weak. Any of the other capsuleer groups would have laughed and gone back to ignoring CONCORD.

As for me? I get it. I'm leashed. But I know what it's like to run free in the wild. And Rote doesn't give a ****. None of this will be settled with words, or in a court room. It will be settled in space, vi et armis. Either put missiles in your tubes or shut up.

Retainer of Lady Newelle and House Sarum.

"Those who step into the light shall be redeemed, the sins of their past cleansed, so that they may know salvation." -Empress Jamyl Sarum I

Virtue. Valor. Victory.