EVE General Discussion

The best way to implement WIS is to make everyone physically collect their stuff and shoot it out the airlock as the citadel they are walking in is getting blown up.

Oh man, this again.

Alright folks, here's the deal:

CCP is working on (another) ground based shooter. They also ended up with a lot of experience/refining stuff via DUST.

HOWEVER

They've spent all of their non-EVE forays in to the universe trying to capture other sectors of the market. Note that DUST wasn't an MMO, and had laughable EVE integration, Valkyrie has an excessively low player base due to it being exculsive to expensive early adopter tech, and gunjack... well lets not talk about gunjack.

CCP made a decision a while back to be "the EVE company" but pretty much halfassed it after the collective meh that resulted from the DUST/EVE integration.

What we know about legion is that it's supposed to be less session based, PC-centric, and possibly more tightly integrated with EVE than DUST was.

However, you can put away your dreams of getting out of your spaceship, grabbing some power armor, and going all rambo. because of CCPs current "let's split the EVE universe in to as many markets as possible" approach, if you want to play the infantry game, its going to be a new character, in a new game, with a new installer.

In terms of Walking in Stations, what does this mean? Does it mean we'll never get WIS?

Yes and no. Guys from the old team Avatar reported having a solid working prototype for "site based gameplay" that the at-te-time CSM and others that saw it responded well to. They've also said multiple times that it isn't worth the effort to add WIS if it doesn't come with corresponding gameplay that integrates tightly with the existing EVE ship play.

This means it is HIGHLY unlikely you're going to see WIS style play until there is a platform for actual content in stations. Not just chairs and living rooms, but dedicated sources for new rewards that are critical to future EVE spaceship mechanics. You are not going to see a patch that just adds captain's quarters to citadels, and you're not going to see a patch that just adds a multiplayer lobby to stations.

You're ALSO probably not going to see EVE avatar style gameplay that too closely mirrors something like DUST, as DUST is being replaced by a separate product, Legion.

So, where does this leave WIS content?

Walking in stations will likely be the last, not the first phase of any avatar gameplay.

What we've been told is that the initial prototypes involved "sites" and given the context, its pretty safe to assume that these sites involved docking and getting out of your pod. If we're going to see WIS play in EVE in the future, this is the first form its going to take. They've also expressed a design goal with the old prototype to make sure it's not just a tack on game.

Now, I've never once been to an EVE event, never been on the CSM, etc. but looking at the history of WIS and CCP's actions regarding the EVE IP up to this point, here's a little theorycrafting as to what EVE on the ground could look like after they're done with the structures and current tiericide projects:

Legion takes a page out of the DUST playbook and uses rogue drones as the de-facto NPC bad guy. Legion development spends a lot of time developing exterior and interior art assets for ground based play, as many of those art assets can serve double duty for WIS content in the future. Which means you're not going to see WIS in EVE until legion gets much closer to release.

Capsuleers, not being infantry, do not use shooting stuff with guns and power armor as the primary method of play, but their existing skills are leveraged in a rework of relic sites. Why? Because currently relic and data sites use the exact same gameplay, with two separate hacking skills. Relic sites from this release forward continue to contain the existing containers, but also contain a main complex. We'll plunder these sites for new faction BPs, T3 materials for new ships, etc. by using many of our existing capsuleer skills in a type of avatar play that feels less like call of duty and more like resident evil or dead space. Hacking things will use the hacking skill and minigame. Drone skills, scanning, thermodynamics, the sciences, etc. will have various uses in semi-procedurally generated complexes that are more about puzzle mechanics with occasional shooting than all out combat. (Again, because all out combat is the job of another product, which they want to you buy and play)

Loot from these sites will be used to build tools for WIS content (think whatever an EVE version of a tricorder looks like) as well as new modules/tiers for structures and ships, and possibly legion gear if they decide to integrate the two economies. The complexes have internal loot you can carry on your capsuleer (blueprints, datacrystals, rdbs, etc.) but a large part of the loot also comes in the form of containers which must be jettisoned in to space and collected by you, your allies, or anybody who happens to be tooling around outside.

Hardpoints on said structures can be shot, which will **** things up for you inside. Getting killed in said site would be akin to getting podded, you lost a clone. That clone, however, would remain lootable for its implants, having not been all ****** up by exploding in a space ship. PVP inside one such complex among capsuleers would be extremely dangerous, risking explosive decompression, with very low fire rate high damage weapons (legion soldiers have special implants, and capsuleers are already jacked up so they can't use the cool military hardware, etc. so they're limited to low yield light weaponry) and the omnipresent threat of hostiles outside shooting the complex up, shooting your ship, and otherwise the massive terrifying danger of being on a rusted out hunk of crap floating in space will be major factor in what makes this mode of play distinct from Legion's run-and-gun army mans, literally being something so dangerous only the immortal capsuleer demigods would attempt it in the first place.

And there are still a lot of people who want it.

If you don't give people what they want and give 'em something you want 'em to want instead, like some candies for active subscription and not-so-really-free-to-play, don't be surprised to see more and more of 'em leaving.

I hate being the only perv staring at my buttocks

Want WIS !

actually just be happy to be able to decorate my captains quarters and have some trophies for number of pvp kills/ missions run etc.

and a in character eve news show on captain quarters screens.

make it happen ccp !

will love u long time !

And my reply is:

No.

F@#%ken.

Way.

Am i look like an owner of CCP? Or an EVE developer? It's not my f@#%ken job.

I pay the money - CCP provides the service. Dat's all. If i don't like the service - i go away. No hard feelings. It's not my job to keep subscribers subscribing. I'm not goin' to be paid for dat, k?

"Oh you don't like it - so go and make it better!" - Just. No.


In addition to dat. I've just returned from coronation event - it was awful. Really.

I dunno who was so smart to make Empress talk in 2500+ local channel instead of making another one just like for incursions but with muted capsuleers. I dunno who was so smart to not preparing for 2500+ capsuleers in local laggin' like hell. But if ya would like to ask me to fix dat crap too - i say "No".

I would like to see ex-capsuleers warpin' away on their overheated butt-drive too, but - sad to say - all capsule operators are back-upped as data for such cases.

Sounds great if most of the posters on this thread didn't PLEX their accounts.

To seriously answer the OP's question - No. There will be no enlargement/enhancement/elaboration to the WiS feature of EVE. There will be, however, an endless stream of people thinking this is just a brilliant idea. Welcome to EVE.

Proof that the people who have spent years crying about WiS don't actually want it enough to make it happen. Notice this poster talking about people leaving if WiS doesn't happen....demonstrably not leaving even though WiS isn't happening....proving again that they really don't want WiS.

I'm with Mal. I'll chip in cash if someone does a kickstarter, I think WiS is a waste of time (an example of utopian "I want a game to be everything for me" thinking not unlike Star Citizen sycophancy), but if people were serious about it (they aren't) I'd help, just to see it done right.