Player Features and Ideas Discussion

The customer is not always right, but the customer is always the customer.

Personally I am happy with my character name, but unhappy with the progress of Eve, and IMHO this is a case-in-point why this has happened. I really think CCP could be doing a lot better if Eve did not attract these kinds of hostile people.

My advice to CCP: Let players rename their characters if they want. Eve is on life support. Let the players redo/undo/change whatever will make them happy.

There aren't going to be a whole lot of drunken player gatherings in CCP's future if you hang your hat on an aging player base. Millennials are used to being catered to. As one person said: "this is 2016, wake up!"; like it or not that's the attitude of the Milennials. With the difficulty of learning the game in the first place they aren't going to stick around if they are treated this way by the company on top of being tricked, swindled, and abused by other players as is the nature of this game. I don't have numbers to back it up but I would not be surprised if Eve had the largest percentage of rage-quitting in the industry.

And with all due respect to the executive team, you should have sold to EA or whomever it was when there was a chance. Now it's too late. Millions of dollars down the drain. Everyone could have made a small fortune. Those are some pretty severe consequences indeed.

Eve Valkyrie, on the other hand, is great! I'd shift my resources in that direction. Once the HW prices come down, which will be very soon, 2D games won't have the appeal they once did. It was a good run but VR is the future.

One of us is confused. Investors take on financial risk, and therefore are entitled to a return on that investment when a company goes IPO or is bought by another entity. Players are just customers.

Maybe you meant that if the product is sold to another company the new owner would change the game in some negative way? If so us customers do have the option to buy another product from some other company, but the employees and shareholders don't because this is their livelihood. I do realize that is not going to be very palatable to hear, but these people need to put food on the table.

Besides, I'd be willing to bet EA would be much more responsive to customer demands, so ultimately the customer would benefit.

Eve has lasted a very, very long time. Way beyond the expectations of many people. That is a big success story. CCP is to be congratulated. But obviously all technology eventually becomes obsolete. It's just the nature of the business.

VR is definitely the future of gaming, and they have already come out with two titles: Gunjack and Valkyrie. So CCP is moving forward. BTW if you don't have a Rift or a Vive (I have both) I highly recommend getting one. And if you have any friends who do you have got to try Valkyrie. They did really great with that. It is an EXCELLENT game! I'm not into shooters but for those who are Gunjack is another great title – and you can play that with just a Gear.

I really think CCP can reproduce their success by focusing on VR. In the meantime they should build the millennial user base. If customers want to change their character names or whatever, who cares? Just build up enough revenue over the short term to reinvest in the VR titles and go forward on that front. Hey, if Eve does continue for another few years that's great, but I think they are well aware VR is where it's at now.

Thank you for that insightful and ignorant comment, proving my point entirely. Much appreciated.

No, we customers do not have the choice to just buy another product because there is no other product available that is like EVE. That is, in large parts, the fault of companies like EA and customers or investors like you.
Under your scenario, only the shareholders interested in a short term profits may or may not benefit from such a sale. Focus on short term profits without regard for long term benefits, however, is a substantial reason why we live in this overall miserable economic situation, thanks to companies like EA and customers and investors like you. Considering this, among other things, I very much doubt that employees at a CCP sold to EA would appreciate the move. I also strongly doubt that a sale to EA would keep CCP in business, considering long tradition of studio closures after EA bought them.

Customer demands like yours, which are diametral to what makes EVE what it is and supposed to be, just because some whiny wimps can't grasp the game's concept and are overchallenged by the different nature of this game? You just need to look at the latest Alpha Clone "improvement" suggestion to see what kind of terrible players try to join the game and thankfully leave again once they notice they cannot abuse it however they like. EVE does not need these players at all to thrive. As for responsiveness to customer demands: Do I have to really remind you of the latest Sim City iteration, which was a complete disaster and only poor sales figures and massive violent pressure from the community made EA change their mind.

EVE has lasted as long as it has because it was largely independent from terrible companies like EA. The last time CCP tried to do tricks to the community that are akin to what EA does to their games, the game almost crumbled. Not CCP not selling to EA (or any other random bad publisher) makes tech and the game obsolete, selling to these cash milking crap companies does.

The VR that we currently have is just terrible and most current gamers cannot use VR because their computers are not capable of handling it and they are not and will not be able to upgrade to suitable hardware in the near and midterm future, in part thanks to companies like EA and customers and investors like you, who are only interested in short term profits without consideration for long term benefits and effects, causing an overall miserable economic situation.
Valkyrie is nothing like EVE. It may be an excellent game for casuals who are not interested in risk and reward that EVE itself has as founding principle of the game's mechanics and gameplay experience, let alone a long term oriented game play beyond just a useless, non-impacting, non-effecting 10 minute space battle royale with some "friends" (that word is so empty and meaningless these days, by the way). EVE, however, focuses on more than just this.

Not only is it not necessary but it'd kill the game in a year or so because thats how long the players you're wanting to attract play a game for before looking for the next 'ooh shiny'.

Old players still play eve. Its features allow play and progression whilst offline. We train skills whilst logged off and we can make money whilst logged off. We can make money whilst we do chores around the house. Etc etc. A couple years ago the oldest player was over 50 and the average was 25 with a full time job. True some people leave due to real life, but less than you might think.

Funnily enough these would be the first things the 'new' players would change if they could. They'd have a grinding skill progression. Dailies (ugh) and pay wall shite.


Honestly, having 20% of the playerbase for 10x as long is better than having a game thats last a year and dies.