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[HORDE] Declaration of War

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Morgan Wulver
SAYR Reserve Guard
SAYR Galactic
#21 - 2016-09-27 02:20:22 UTC
Jason Galente wrote:


This **** is getting very old.

You lost. And we did not turn into you.

You mean "did not turn into you yet." By my count you've still got about another month left.

And at this rate, a month sounds about right before Horde becomes the major aggressive force occupying the North.

Kirjuun! Uakan! Teknikiara! Kanpai kameitsamuu! Ra ra ra!

Arrendis
TK Corp
#22 - 2016-09-27 04:00:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Arrendis
Jason Galente wrote:
This **** is getting very old.

You lost. And we did not turn into you. Get over it.


Yup. We lost. And no, you haven't turned into us. You remain the playthings of those who can and will destroy you the moment you decide to try to chart your own course. If you think you are anything more to Pandemic Legion, you are bigger fools than Gigx.
Lan Wang
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#23 - 2016-09-27 06:57:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Lan Wang
Karina Ivanovich wrote:
In his statement Gobbins made it clear that Co2 is "a fantastic group of guys...[and]...great neigbors." He emphasised that it is not a war of hatred or of retribution.


this has got to be a joke right?

This isnt even a war its simply a mass murder aka steamroll

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*

Jason Galente
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#24 - 2016-09-27 10:02:56 UTC
Morgan Wulver wrote:
Jason Galente wrote:


This **** is getting very old.

You lost. And we did not turn into you.


And at this rate, a month sounds about right before Horde becomes the major aggressive force occupying the North.


Hah! Our mighty super fleet shall conquer all!

Wulver, with respect, I think your distance from the situation is very.. obvious. Horde are, well, auxiliaries. We are fighters, not conquerors. We were actually kind of surprised when SMA decided to just give up after we crashed on their couch, you should've heard us in comms.

Only the liberty of the individual assures the prosperity of the whole. And this foundation must be defended.

At any cost

Jason Galente
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#25 - 2016-09-27 10:11:59 UTC
Arrendis wrote:
Jason Galente wrote:
This **** is getting very old.

You lost. And we did not turn into you. Get over it.


Yup. We lost. And no, you haven't turned into us. You remain the playthings of those who can and will destroy you the moment you decide to try to chart your own course. If you think you are anything more to Pandemic Legion, you are bigger fools than Gigx.


Pandemic Legion isn't even relevant to our interests 99% of the time. They do their nomad fun police thing, we do our nullsec territory and new pilot training thing. Sometimes a handful of PL guys join or run a few fleets, etc. I have a good feeling you know all of this and are just deliberately obscuring this for your ~psyops~. The chance of a war between PL and PH is exactly 0 and you know it. There is no contention, PL doesn't stop us from doing basically whatever we want, and it'd never be in either of our interests to have a civil war. Take it from someone who was extremely active amongst the rank and file of Horde, and had a pretty good finger on the pulse and morale of its membership, PH is very happy with PL. We wanted a war, and now they've given one to us on a silver platter. So far from "keeping us from charting our own course", PL have been the greatest benefactors of enabling a fledgling nullsec entity to do just that.

Horde is a project of some PL members, that's about it. There is no vassal-overlord relationship, it's a mutually symbiotic relationship. If you don't believe me, send an associate to join, and do nothing but listen to comms and fly around for a bit. I guarantee you will not see PL occupying garrisons holding poor beans upside down and shaking them by their shoes until the Gobloons fall out of their pockets.

Only the liberty of the individual assures the prosperity of the whole. And this foundation must be defended.

At any cost

Skyweir Kinnison
Doomheim
#26 - 2016-09-27 10:15:04 UTC
Jason Galente wrote:

Wulver, with respect, I think your distance from the situation is very.. obvious. Horde are, well, auxiliaries. We are fighters, not conquerors. We were actually kind of surprised when SMA decided to just give up after we crashed on their couch, you should've heard us in comms.


Captain Wulver and I do not see eye to eye but I would not wish Horde comms on my worst enemy. Indeed, I believe that Federal legal minds consider being subjected to GME comms is 'cruel and unusual punishment'.

Humanity has won its battle. Liberty now has a country.

Jason Galente
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#27 - 2016-09-27 10:18:11 UTC
Skyweir Kinnison wrote:

GME


Well this there's the problem.

Only the liberty of the individual assures the prosperity of the whole. And this foundation must be defended.

At any cost

Somi Zulfi
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#28 - 2016-09-28 08:59:43 UTC
Hello,

Is CO2 the same alliance that back-stabbed it's ally of 4-5 years that had given them it's current space? They literally back-stabbed in middle of the war.

https://skyride.org/paste/87cd4baeb34ee2d71f979e6c023a92895af205b5

There are many ways to separate.

One way is to to say that you've had enough and it's time to say good bye and have fun.

The second way is to try and bait your friends into defending your system and set up a trap for supers, steal information and then turn it over, then, after the flip, you start hitting your own ex-allies and ex-friends of 5 years who were just fighting to defend your systems 30 minutes ago, the systems, that they gave you in the first place.

CO2 chose the later. Treachery and deceit is there proven path.
Utari Onzo
Escalated.
OnlyFleets.
#29 - 2016-09-28 11:29:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Utari Onzo
To think, during the war CO2 were applauded as heroes for their choices by masses of P-Horde, PL and other Money Badger members over on that other GalNet site.

Not for me to judge the war, as I said have at it, but I think the mixed messages on if they constitute 'good people', or an entity holding space P-Horde rather fancies, or that they're deceitful things to be cleaned out is getting rather confusing.

"Face the enemy as a solid wall For faith is your armor And through it, the enemy will find no breach Wrap your arms around the enemy For faith is your fire And with it, burn away his evil"

Arrendis
TK Corp
#30 - 2016-09-28 12:47:10 UTC
Jason Galente wrote:

Horde is a project of some PL members, that's about it. There is no vassal-overlord relationship, it's a mutually symbiotic relationship.


Keep telling yourself this. Horde is left to do whatever they want until PL decides they have to do something else. Then Gobbins is brought to heel, and he gives the rest of Horde his justifications and excuses for doing what he's told.
Somi Zulfi
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#31 - 2016-09-28 15:14:43 UTC
Arrendis wrote:
Jason Galente wrote:

Horde is a project of some PL members, that's about it. There is no vassal-overlord relationship, it's a mutually symbiotic relationship.


Keep telling yourself this. Horde is left to do whatever they want until PL decides they have to do something else. Then Gobbins is brought to heel, and he gives the rest of Horde his justifications and excuses for doing what he's told.


So much salt. It's okay, no need to be mad about your eviction.
Jason Galente
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#32 - 2016-09-28 22:37:00 UTC
Arrendis wrote:
Jason Galente wrote:

Horde is a project of some PL members, that's about it. There is no vassal-overlord relationship, it's a mutually symbiotic relationship.


Keep telling yourself this. Horde is left to do whatever they want until PL decides they have to do something else. Then Gobbins is brought to heel, and he gives the rest of Horde his justifications and excuses for doing what he's told.


Do you have any evidence of that? Because that sounds like the sort of thing that would be hard to prove. And if you can't prove it, you're talking out of your ass.

Only the liberty of the individual assures the prosperity of the whole. And this foundation must be defended.

At any cost

Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#33 - 2016-09-29 06:06:58 UTC
War is a mean of killing peoples when the diplomacy and friendly communications fail, why would you kill peoples whom you don't hate?

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Jason Galente
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#34 - 2016-09-29 07:26:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Jason Galente
Diana Kim wrote:
War is a mean of killing peoples when the diplomacy and friendly communications fail, why would you kill peoples whom you don't hate?


The goal is Tribute, not the destruction of CO2 or TEST, just as their goal is the defense of Tribute, not the destruction of NC, PL, or PH. In fact, if one/both of them were destroyed, that would be bad for the North, and I'm sure they would agree on the reverse if we were destroyed. The idea behind the war is that with Tribute, Horde would be better positioned to recruit the Alpha pilots that are set to graduate in November.

Only the liberty of the individual assures the prosperity of the whole. And this foundation must be defended.

At any cost

Ayallah
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#35 - 2016-09-29 07:36:00 UTC
Utari Onzo wrote:
To think, during the war CO2 were applauded as heroes for their choices by masses of P-Horde, PL and other Money Badger members over on that other GalNet site.

Not for me to judge the war, as I said have at it, but I think the mixed messages on if they constitute 'good people', or an entity holding space P-Horde rather fancies, or that they're deceitful things to be cleaned out is getting rather confusing.

We are immortals Utari, we can respect our enemies the same as a gravball player can respect the opposing team.

Goddess of the IGS

As strength goes.

March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#36 - 2016-09-30 08:03:56 UTC
Jason Galente wrote:
Arrendis wrote:
Jason Galente wrote:

Horde is a project of some PL members, that's about it. There is no vassal-overlord relationship, it's a mutually symbiotic relationship.


Keep telling yourself this. Horde is left to do whatever they want until PL decides they have to do something else. Then Gobbins is brought to heel, and he gives the rest of Horde his justifications and excuses for doing what he's told.


Do you have any evidence of that? Because that sounds like the sort of thing that would be hard to prove. And if you can't prove it, you're talking out of your ass.

Common sense and history of human civilization tell that it would be unusual for entity created as 'project' to be fully independent of its creators.

The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"

Arrendis
TK Corp
#37 - 2016-09-30 12:44:58 UTC
Jason Galente wrote:
Do you have any evidence of that? Because that sounds like the sort of thing that would be hard to prove. And if you can't prove it, you're talking out of your ass.


Do you have evidence that Horde is a truly independent entity? Some instance where they've gone directly against PL, perhaps? Because that sounds like the sort of thing that would be easy to prove, but if you can't prove it, you're talking out of your ass.
Jason Galente
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#38 - 2016-09-30 13:56:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Jason Galente
March rabbit wrote:
Jason Galente wrote:
Arrendis wrote:
Jason Galente wrote:

Horde is a project of some PL members, that's about it. There is no vassal-overlord relationship, it's a mutually symbiotic relationship.


Keep telling yourself this. Horde is left to do whatever they want until PL decides they have to do something else. Then Gobbins is brought to heel, and he gives the rest of Horde his justifications and excuses for doing what he's told.


Do you have any evidence of that? Because that sounds like the sort of thing that would be hard to prove. And if you can't prove it, you're talking out of your ass.

Common sense and history of human civilization tell that it would be unusual for entity created as 'project' to be fully independent of its creators.


And yet it's not uncommon for us to go entire months at a time without so much as seeing a member of PL.

I ask again, do you or the other fellow have any evidence?

And if we actually tend to like doing the stuff Gobbins has us doing, and there is nothing stipulating that we actually do it under any sort of penalty, what's the harm anyway?

I think you are under the illusion that we hate fighting and war and just get dragged into it. It's pretty laughable to see the conspiracy rants people go on who clearly have never spent a day in or near Horde to see what its members enjoy.

It would indeed be unusual. PanFam is quite an unusual setup, and it's an attractive one in my opinion. That's why I'm in it.

Only the liberty of the individual assures the prosperity of the whole. And this foundation must be defended.

At any cost

Jason Galente
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#39 - 2016-09-30 14:00:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Jason Galente
Arrendis wrote:
Jason Galente wrote:
Do you have any evidence of that? Because that sounds like the sort of thing that would be hard to prove. And if you can't prove it, you're talking out of your ass.


Do you have evidence that Horde is a truly independent entity? Some instance where they've gone directly against PL, perhaps? Because that sounds like the sort of thing that would be easy to prove, but if you can't prove it, you're talking out of your ass.


You're the one making accusatory claims, not me. The burden is upon you to make your case. The burden of proof falls on the accuser, not the accused. It's exceedingly difficult to prove a negative, and the fact that your standard of evidence that we are independent of PL is that we have to have actively contested PL is blatant obvious evidence of your jury-rigging.

I wouldn't expect a Goon to understand anything about civilization or due process though.

Only the liberty of the individual assures the prosperity of the whole. And this foundation must be defended.

At any cost

Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#40 - 2016-09-30 14:19:14 UTC
Not to go off topic but......

Spaceship Samurai = Pandemic Horde?
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