Ships & Modules

The obsesive longe range on caldari boats lets you use anti-matter all the time (thus making it the best time), and you should have the lows for tracking/damage mods.
Well on larger hulls the bonus to range is fantastic on....blasters.
They rarely get just a bonus to longe range missiles, just Ken damage/ships wepons size launchers
Also just wait till you realize that they take almost as much cap, you don't get reductions to cap use, and the ammo is HUGE.

I feel ya tho... as a Caldari pilot I stick to missles and I cross trained Ammar for there turret boats.

The problem is the archaic and stubborn approach the DEVS have to the "racial values". I'm not saying "out with the old", far from it in fact, but they really do need to have a good look at the design ideas they made back then, because not all of them make good sense these days (or ever).

Giving the Caldari turret based ships the same bonus as the Naga would help a lot and make them more on par with others. The problem you create by doing that is "and what about Gallente", well they need their dps upped a little bit more anyway (rather than destroying the Gallente niche by making them as versatile as ACs I'd rather have them more deadly within their niche) so if they do both things that could work out well.

Maelstrom - ROF + shield boosting
Hyperion - Damage + armor rep
Abaddon - Damage + resists
Rokh - Range + resists, wtf?

Rails have good range, give rokh and ferox damage instead of range bonus!

Swapping the range for damage bonuses would result in an 800dps ferox and 1300dps rokh. That actually sounds really awesome but I dunno if that'd be a good idea or not.

yep that would make them just too similar
increase resist bonus to 10% or give other things to caldari like +1 mid cpu and pg

It would make them similar, yes. But at the same time Damage is the most highly prized bonus. If Gallente hybrid ships get it and Caldari don't then Caldari hybrid ships will continue to be in the ghetto.

Could give the Rokh a bonus to its capacitor (in basic stats) and give it rate of fire? Though I think if anything Rate of Fire is better for blasters and damage better for rails.

Blasters are a particle 'stream' and rails are supposed to be long range and hard hitting.

The only other solution is to drop Rail range and increase its damage considerably so Gallente ships need to invest heavily in range mods at the cost of damage. Rails just has too much range for range bonuses to be much use.

I know this has no relevance to CCP, but Minmatar Artillery is a joke compared with rails in a technology sense. Why is it that the race that still uses present day tech for their weapons superior in so many respects to a currently theoretical weapon like a railgun that fires even more spectacular antimatter shells?

I believe antimatter payloads fired at a a sizeable percentage of the speed of light would leave nuclear and fusion weapons in the dust, damage wise, from the science point of view. Infact lasers would probably be pretty paltry by comparison.

(Directed at the OP, not Naomi)
... Have you ever actually looked at a decent Rokh fit? Do you have any idea what that ship is capable of if the one fitting it isn't a dribbling moron?
With rails it can lob a good 600 DPS out to 70km range, with the option of firing further if it needs to without losing much DPS.
Another thing worth noting is that it's doing that with faction ammo rather than the tracking-crippling spike.
70km range too far for you? Load up Javelin ammo. Now you're firing at 30-35 and have better tracking to boot.
Oh and while it's doing all this, it's also mounting a 120k EHP buffer. (Which can be increased to around 136k with one module swap.)

So yeah, the Rokh is perfectly capable at the ranges you listed, and a damage bonus would only make it an inferior ripoff of the Megathron/Hyperion.

Now let's talk blasters. Even without a damage bonus, the Rokh can put out around 900 DPS. Not bad but not ground-breaking either - until you load up null, and are now firing at a 20km optimal with another 25 falloff or so and still doing 700 DPS.

The Naga also makes a superb rail platform, but again only if you're not an idiot.

Basically: you're whining about nothing. Learn to fly or train Gallente.

While we're on the Caldari hybrid platform subject, let's talk Ferox: post buff this thing now does 600 DPS with a 66-73k buffer (depending on web fit or not) or can do about 450 DPS to 30km and a 70k EHP buffer with rails. The only reason it's not doing better than this is the fact it's a tier 1 BC rather than a tier 2 as opposed to a broken bonus.



EVE is not a realistic game, thus realism should have no influence on balance. Ever.

Please show me your 800 DPS 60km range Tachyon Abaddon. In fact those guns are a pretty stupid example all round as they utterly gimp the fit on almost any ship you use them on. A Rokh can fit a full rack of 425mms with no fitting mods.
I don't doubt at all that you managed that kind of range/DPS, but the rest of the fit must be all kinds of fail.

I see megapulse can do 700 DPS or so at 60km but need 3 tracking comps to do so.

Neither fit is cap stable without a booster even at all 5 skills.

1. No evidence = no argument.
2. You're implying there that it's pimp fitted, and thus also irrelevant here.

And like I said, I know it's perfectly possible to get that kind of DPS/range with tachyons - but what I also know is they're absurdly hard to fit and by using them at all you've gimped yourself in at least one way.


... No, Scorch base range is 45k, add a TE and you have 52, then you need to throw TCs on.
And that TE has taken up another low slot, so either tank or DPS has suffered.
Drop a heat sink and you're down to 650 DPS, drop a tank mod and you lose anything up to 20k EHP.

You don't appear to factor the damage loss from falloff in, so no.


Umm, no, I'm saying that the Rokh is fine as-is and that swapping the range bonus for something else is idiocy. The Abaddon is in a tier of its own and comparing any battleship to it for blob warfare is going to come out unfavourably.

(Having said that, one thing it doesn't do well is using tachs)

Hang on, I've just noticed this actually:

... Are you seriously bringing a carebearmobile into a PVP balance discussion? Or are you just using the wrong term for buffer?


Doesn't need damage rigs, navy AM and 3 mag stabs gets 600 at 70k range.