EVE General Discussion

I once again have to ask if I can call my activities to collect space resources from asteroids something other than mining because the OP is embarrassing everyone who thinks themselves a miner. So let me see, your Roq is no longer a totally safe thing to make you "boosted". OK, so. Everyone mining today without a Roq raise your hand. Bonus if you are doing it without any "boost". How oh how are so many of us surviving this clearly unfair disadvantage? Seriously, if this is going to drive you all out of Eve, awesome, be gone you lazy whiner miners!

I am going to try again to explain why Eve is special. It is complicated and mostly free form. Instead of the traditional machine based NPC AI driving it all, Eve makes you "compete" with other humans, which sometimes are clever and driven. They will learn to adapt and optimize no matter what changes may be thrown into the sandbox. If you don't like that then Eve is not for you. There is no "easy" setting in Eve. That is why it continues to keep people engaged.

So I might not always like changes in some mechanics but I adapt and realize that is why I like the challenge. To be honest its when I see changes that maybe put us closer to that "easy" setting that I worry. Not that I don't think there should be some places in Eve that can almost be "easy". That should be high sec, not null. Null should be insanely lucrative and very dangerous. So long as risk is partnered with reward and vis versa all is right in the 'verse".

The Roq should not be some sort of "win" gizmo for lazy miners.

But why.
There's the orca, which is worth something like 3 skiffs... Make the orca cheaper so it can be used in throwaway t1 mining fleets (300m) and use rorq for 10-20 ship strong t2 fleets....


As for OP... idk how many alts or dual character training your corp fuels, apparently a lot. It doesn't take 80 hours for 1 account to get a plex. Including a 2-3b ship (that's gonna multiply fleet value by 3), how often do you lose the whole mining fleet? Once every few months?

You can use a drake in place of a Roc, to me it's for years people have said risk vs rewards well guess CCP has taken that advice and have added more risk for the more juicier rewards of fancy roids.

But they were also benevolent in that instead of only orcas and roc's you could use a battle cruiser, so thank CCP for being nice.

FTFY. The only reason to mine in lowsec is because you are baiting pvpers with pvp-skiffs.



no.


It changes the dynamic so that boosts are no longer a given, they are a risk-reward factor. Current mining boost gameplay is unexciting, and has no element of risk/reward, it's simply a must. If you want to make decent money, you must pay for an afk toon to sit afk all day in a safe location giving boosts.

Coming november, there is significant direct incentives for having your boosting pilot in the belt with the miners, and slightly more significant incentives for having a rorq drop into siege there to give out boosts, but also accompanying risks. Orcas and Rorqs WILL be in asteroid belts, (I'm not going to mention the porpoise, nullsec miners considering the porpoise are likely mining out of ventures) so if you want boosts

1) Put your own boosting toon in the belt, and enjoy the extra isk you pull in for the risk it entails
2) Make friends/join corps with other people bringing their boosters. And if you aren't a complete ****/goon, tip them.
3) Cry on the forums until nothing changes. Because nothing will change, CCP is committed to this, and enough miners will embrace it that the world will keep spinning.

The more of your friends who quit mining, the more people that will take their place as prices go up, and the ore market restabilizes. Many people will even continue to mine without good boosts.

Comments of 'have a defence fleet ready are a joke at best, and trolls at worst, ignore them. Most of us know that short of mining boosts causing rats to reliably spawn in the belt (No, CCP, this isn't a request), pvp fleets are not going to sit around for hours at a time babying a mining gang, unless they're doing something important for a particular corp, and if you think more than a small fraction of the rorqual boosters in eve are owned by a corp, I have a Palatine Keepstar to sell you. It's all about putting up scouts, exercising safe mining practices, and ideally, having your own defence ships you can switch your miners into in a hurry, in the event that something that can actually kill your rorqual, tackles it.

I still think that its hilarious with all the whining after OGBs have been the boogie man forever.

Reap what you sow bitches.

I think the OP's point is that to get boosts in the belt, someone has to be sitting at the computer, controlling the Rorq. That person has to be there, at the keyboard, continuously, to quickly respond to threats. For hours and hours. The problem is not "no security" its that having security makes for an extremely poor gameplay experience for the Rorq pilot. So, the Rorq pilots will not do it, and boosts are lost.

If you think mining is for hours boring gameplay, imagine watching someone else mine for hours.

CCP: this is a valid issue. Having a game mechanic that requires someone sit at a keyboard doing nothing for hours on end is a poor mechanic.

Edit: Suggestion: Allow the Rorq pilot to mine. Super drones, or more high slots for strip miners (with limits to prevent overpowered fits). Then at least the Rorq pilot will have a comparable gameplay experience as the rest of the miners.

CCP?

FC can I bring a drake?

those drones will not have a yield that would outperform.. say.. a Capital Mining laser.. which shows just how detached and stupid, yes i said stupid ccp is for not giving the rorqual pilot a chance to finally mine...

its a capital industrial ship and look what they come up with it!!!!!... they have no idea what this ship should do.. they dont know!, all cause they've seen a few battle rorqs in the field.. thats why there's so much lacking in content for the rorqual now.

the rorqual should be the most powerful mining ship in the game.. not some lame booster only asset with funky little drones that are ripoffs from transformers that wont provide enough protection at all for her.

At one time, a few months before Incarna, there was data for "establishments" in the client. Until its actually announced by CCP and scheduled for deployment, we cannot be sure.
Unless they are very high yield drones, a Rorq will still be a poor miner, and not worth the effort. Adding strips, and still being an effective boost ship in a belt, will need more highs for strips.
It would be nice if a Rorq was at least as effective a miner as a Hulk, and provided boosts on top of that.